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Pa Young Conservative
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| I don't know what's going on, but if I post more than one sentence, it blacklists me. |
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Pa Young Conservative
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| I have email into the admin, so I'm not going to post alot per post. |
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Pa Young Conservative
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Bobo wrote: | | Pa. Young Conservative, how can you call the GOP the party of limited government when it's the party that wants to tell us who we can sleep with and what we can do when we get there? (Not to mention, trying to tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies.) It never ceases to amaze me when Republicans say they are for limited government. Ahh, the irony! |
I'll try this...limiting government is not by what the government does but the size of the government. |
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Pa Young Conservative
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| Also Bobo, the morals of a country has effected every country/empire in history...i.e. Rome |
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A Talking Horse
Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Pa Young Conservative wrote: |
I'll try this...limiting government is not by what the government does but the size of the government. |
Nice try...not buying.
Philosophical Question:
Which is more powerful?
LAWS or MORALS?
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Pa Young Conservative
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| laws that are written with morals in mind...that is strong |
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A Talking Horse
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| Pa Young Conservative wrote: | | laws that are written with morals in mind...that is strong |
Disagree...Laws weaken morals.
The more we rely on laws...the more immoral we become.
If you dont smoke pot...its probably because of a moral issue...not the law. But as a people - we rely on the law...not the moral...and the moral becomes weaker..and the problem grows worse.
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A Talking Horse
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Pa Young Conservative wrote: | | laws that are written with morals in mind...that is strong |
Sounds like "Big Government" to me...
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Coppy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: |
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A government that tries to legislate behavior is a government that legislates stupidity; or more specifically, you can't legislate against stupidity. Simply enough, there seems to be nothing more important to me other than a government that keeps its nose out of social "morals."
Morals are ambiguous. Their meaning and perception or objective and change, not just person to person, but culture to culture, and geographic area. You may THINK you know what morals are best to be imposed upon the American people, but that is the problem, NOT the solution. Your morals are not mine, and mine are not yours. Our laws should be based on our constitution; not what Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson say. Our laws should reflect a respect for all Americans, as we are created equal, and that any law that discriminates or reduces the rights of freedoms of any American should be immediately considered unconstitutional. Our laws and our policies should be a reflection of our freedom, not an abuse of it. Laws should protect the constitutional rights of Americans, not take them away.
And thus is my problem with the current administration, and perhaps your point of view young republican. Our constitution has been ignored this entire administration and I, and many other Americans, will no longer tolerate it. It will take quite a bit of persuasion for me to ever considering voting Republican again. |
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Mixolydian
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Pa Young Conservative wrote: | | I'll try this...limiting government is not by what the government does but the size of the government. |
I may be mistaken, but I recall Reagan conservatives - at the time Reagan was president, and not after he'd been turned into a false idol - believing that one came as an effect of the other. In other words, limited government operations naturally preclude extensive interference, while a respect for privacy leads to smaller government. At least that's what I heard from my Reagan conservative father and all his cronies.
It wasn't until the last 10 years or so that I began to see conservatives of a decidedly different stripe splitting hairs to separate the concept.
As for your support for our small government president, with whom you agree, I have four words: Department of Homeland Security. |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| Mixolydian wrote: |
...at the time Reagan was president, and not after he'd been turned into a false idol |
Yeah. Exactly when did Reagan become the second coming of Christ?
Granted, I didn't start paying attention to politics until the first Bush, but I remember people being really angry when the named an airport after Reagan, said it was a slap in the face they did. (apparently, I just channeled Yoda) 
And now people want him on currency and postage and have him reanimated so he can be re-elected.
Judging some recent descriptions of him, I don't think Reagan was Reagan.
So can someone please explain? As usual, I promise to sit, listen and not call names.
>Waits patiently<
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.45chel
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One more question: How come Republicans aren't funny? I mean when they try to be. Dennis Miller used to be awesome! I watched him religiously, now he's just kinda sad?
Is it some kind of contract ya'll sign? "I solemnly swear on penalty of Rovian torture to never, ever be funny?"
I hope you can post more than one line, Pa Young Conservative, because I have so many questions.
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| .45chel wrote: | | One more question: How come Republicans aren't funny? I mean when they try to be. Dennis Miller used to be awesome! I watched him religiously, now he's just kinda sad? |
It's not so much that Republicans themselves aren't funny, but Republican political humor isn't funny at all!
The Daily Show, Colbert, or nearly every late night talk show is decidedly liberal, or at least left leaning. I can't name many conservative comedians, other than say Dennis Miller as you pointed out, and those morons who run the Blue Collar Comedy thing (and, yes, I agree that Ron White is funny, but his humor isn't all "Git-R-Done, fart, fart, you might be a redneck if you're not queer, fart, fart, here's your fart sign). Fox News even tried has a late-night comedy program for conservatives called "Red Eye" which somehow simultaneously rips off Colbert and O'Reilly's shows (even the former is a rip off of the latter). It's awful, and not funny.
I think some conservatives are a bit resentful of the fact that the funniest thing they have is Ann Coulter calling presidential candidates fa***ts. |
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.45chel
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| Coppy wrote: | | I can't name many conservative comedians, other than say Dennis Miller as you pointed out, and those morons who run the Blue Collar Comedy thing |
Is Ben Stein a comedian? He's republican. I knew Faux News had the Half Hour Comedy Hour for awhile, but I'm unaware of Red Eye. Lewis Black was talking about working on the Half Hour Hour, he said the pay was good at least.
I brought it up because as I was thinking of comics I liked, I started thinking about how awful Mallard Fillmore is.
I'm pretty pissed about the GOPpies breaking Miller tho' that was just uncalled for!
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Coppy
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Well Ben Stein was formerly a Nixon speechwriter (and one smart dude if you've ever seen people try to win his money), but I think he's more of an actor than a comedian; like, to me, to be an actual comedian you would have to have done standup at some point.
He's a staunch supporter of the Republican party, but I still think he's pretty awesome... he also contributed money to the Senate campaign of liberal radio host/comedian Al Franken. |
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