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Coppy
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.45chel
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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LAWL
Where do you find this stuff!!
I'd buy it for pgs 37 and 97 alone!!
Again with the coathanger! You are causing my kegel muscles to cringe!!
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Coppy
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Again with the coathanger! You are causing my kegel muscles to cringe!! |
I know, aren't I just the spawn of Satan himself?  |
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Jo
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Very good Coppy!
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AnonyMouse
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Our failed president keeps saying that history will be the judge of whether he did a good job. It looks like he doesn't really have much faith in future historians.
From George Mason University's History News Network
http://hnn.us/articles/47375.html
| Quote: | How to Game a Presidential Legacy
By Joseph Wheelan
Someday soon, unless we stand upon our First Amendment rights and demand government transparency, a president’s legacy may depend not on actual accomplishments and leadership, but on the adroit release and suppression of certain presidential papers...
It was because Nixon, in the aftermath of Watergate, attempted to take personal possession of his presidential papers that the 1978 Presidential Records Act was enacted, declaring that the United States retains ownership of a president’s records. Under this law, the National Archives organizes these papers and, 12 years after a president leaves office, they are opened to the public.
But as with so many policies promoting openness, this one, too, has fallen victim to the Bush administration’s obsession with secrecy.
However, this is not just another blow against openness; Bush’s Executive Order 13233 could change history — literally — by restricting historians’ access to materials that help them document and ultimately judge a president’s actions, lapses, and principles.
Executive Order 13233 gives ex-presidents nearly unlimited discretionary authority to prohibit the release of their papers, and allows them to name designees who can act in their stead. Moreover, a sitting president may also prevent the release of a predecessor’s papers — as Bush has already done with some of Ronald Reagan’s papers — even when the predecessor has authorized his papers’ release. These are radical encroachments on the public’s access to documents that were produced in the public interest, at public expense, by officials elected by the public. Citizens can challenge these decisions in court, but the expense and time commitment will discourage most people from trying...
Executive Order 13233 portends a day when spin, the currency of politics, may become the province, too, of presidential history. One can envision a future when a presidential library’s watchdogs would allow only “safe” historians to sift through the library’s holdings for material to cook up a bracingly whitewashed version of his subject’s actions. Objective historians, denied access to the panegyrist’s primary sources and all the juicy details, would be placed at a severe disadvantage. Which version do you think would get the seven-figure publishing advance and the lavish promotional campaign? |
Just when you think that Bush couldn't become more disengenuous, calculating, and self-serving, he displays a completely new level of craven self-interest. Wouldn't it be nice to have a president that actually cares more for the country than his own image? Wouldn't it be nice to have a president that wouldn't sell us all (and our children) out to suit his vanity? |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Vt. towns approve Bush-Cheney 'indictment'
Symbolic measure calls for arrest of president, VP, if they visit towns
| Quote: | BRATTLEBORO, Vt. - Voters in two Vermont towns approved measures Tuesday calling for the indictment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for what they consider violations of the Constitution.
More symbolic than anything, the items sought to have police arrest Bush and Cheney if they ever visit Brattleboro or nearby Marlboro or to extradite them for prosecution elsewhere — if they're not impeached first.
In Brattleboro, the vote was 2,012-1,795. In Marlboro, which held a town meeting on the issue, it was 43-25 with three abstentions.
"It really carries no weight," said Brattleboro Town Clerk Annette Cappy. "Our town attorney has no legal authority to draw up any papers to allow our police officers to do so, but the gentleman who initiated the petition, got the signatures, wanted it on the ballot to make a statement."
The measure in Marlboro isn't binding because it didn't appear on the warning for the meeting, according to Nora Wilson.
"It was emotional. There were heartfelt speeches on both sides," Wilson said.
The question put to voters in Brattleboro referred to "crimes against our Constitution" but did not specify the allegations.
'An extreme thing to do'
In Brattleboro, a steady stream of voters paraded into the Union High School gym to cast their ballots on a day when school board elections and Vermont's presidential primary were also on the slate.
Voters interviewed after casting ballots said they saw the article as an opportunity to express their frustration over the war in Iraq and Bush's tenure in general.
"I realize it's an extreme thing to do, and really silly in a way," said Robert George, 74, a retired photographer. "But I'm really angry about us getting involved in the war in Iraq and him (Bush) disrespecting the will of the people."
Ian Kelley, 41, a radio DJ, said he didn't vote on the article.
"It's not a good reflection on the town," he said. "Do I like either of them and would I vote for them? No. But I don't think it's cause to arrest them."
Barbara Southworth, a 66-year-old nurse, said she would have voted against it.
"I forgot to vote because it was on the flip side," she said.
The White House press office didn't immediately respond to a request for comment, but a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee denounced the indictment effort.
"It appears that the left wing knows no bounds in their willingness to waste taxpayer dollars to make a futile counterproductive partisan political point," said Blair Latoff. "Town people would be much better served by elected officials who sought to solve problems rather than create them." |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23472875/
I'm suddenly wishing the President would take a visit to Brattleboro, VT. I think it would be highly entertaining.
I bet the Secret Service would triumph over the local PD, but it sure would be fun to watch.
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cookieclaygirl
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| .45chel wrote: |
I'm suddenly wishing the President would take a visit to Brattleboro, VT. I think it would be highly entertaining.
I bet the Secret Service would triumph over the local PD, but it sure would be fun to watch. |
rofl....maybe a new 'reality show'? mr. bush goes to brattleboro.
or 'the battle for brattleboro'
hum....oh, the options! endless i say! |
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AnonyMouse
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.45chel
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BushMan
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| .45chel wrote: | Your link is down.
I'm going to be a pest and ask you what you define a Republican as.
See, my mum is a Democrat and my Dad is Republican, but he's nothing like alot of people who describe themselves as GOPpies.
Please understand that I am not trying to pick a fight, I'm just curious what you stand for and against.
Thank you, in advance. |
"I am not trying to pick a fight" What Planet are you from? Where is that "Understanding, lenient, open minded Democratic mindset in any of these posts?
Live and let live as long as it fits the Liberal Agenda, if it doesn't then you are garbage. A young person comes forward with something they happen to belive in, The Libs don't believe in it so it's attack time. What a bunch of Liberal Whack Jobs!
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anonymous_coward
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| BushMan wrote: | | .45chel wrote: | Your link is down.
I'm going to be a pest and ask you what you define a Republican as.
See, my mum is a Democrat and my Dad is Republican, but he's nothing like alot of people who describe themselves as GOPpies.
Please understand that I am not trying to pick a fight, I'm just curious what you stand for and against.
Thank you, in advance. |
"I am not trying to pick a fight" What Planet are you from? Where is that "Understanding, lenient, open minded Democratic mindset in any of these posts?
Live and let live as long as it fits the Liberal Agenda, if it doesn't then you are garbage. A young person comes forward with something they happen to belive in, The Libs don't believe in it so it's attack time. What a bunch of Liberal Whack Jobs! |
shhhh, it's ok, shhh, it will all be ok |
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BushMan
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| anonymous_coward wrote: | | BushMan wrote: | | .45chel wrote: | Your link is down.
I'm going to be a pest and ask you what you define a Republican as.
See, my mum is a Democrat and my Dad is Republican, but he's nothing like alot of people who describe themselves as GOPpies.
Please understand that I am not trying to pick a fight, I'm just curious what you stand for and against.
Thank you, in advance. |
"I am not trying to pick a fight" What Planet are you from? Where is that "Understanding, lenient, open minded Democratic mindset in any of these posts?
Live and let live as long as it fits the Liberal Agenda, if it doesn't then you are garbage. A young person comes forward with something they happen to belive in, The Libs don't believe in it so it's attack time. What a bunch of Liberal Whack Jobs! |
shhhh, it's ok, shhh, it will all be ok |
I can understand your reply, you are one of the wise ones who doesn't argue with facts, and are admittedly an Annonomous Coward. Good for you!
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Coppy
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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So you really don't think any of us have the right to be disenfranchised with the Bush administration? I understand the polarity of politics, but you're calling us all "whack jobs" for going off on Bush (most of which is in pretty good humor I think). Just look at his approval ratings; you're in a small boat.
Look, we're having a discussion and as you can see, we're more than willing to discuss these things with you. But coming in here and calling us all whack jobs isn't really a great way to introduce yourself. So get your kicks and blow off your steam, because being a jerk isn't going to win you any credibility points. |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Greetings BushMan!
Welcome to the Soapbox! Come on in, make yourself comfortable, no need to get your blood pressure up.
(I read your name and thought of Duff Man from The Simpsons)
To address your post, I really wasn't trying to pick a fight with PA Young Conservative. I liked him, it's a shame he didn't stick around.
I was trying to get a feel for what his views were. I'm sure you've realized by now that someone can call themselves a Conservative, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
Since I asked that question that you have so kindly quoted, I have posted quite a bit more.
The Reagan thing wasn't anti-Reagan. I would truly like to know what made him so revered. The recent trend of referring to him has the second coming of Christ has more to with nostalgia than truth IMHO. I was trying to get a discussion going on whether that viewpoint was valid or not. Sadly, it did not pick up.
If you are truly concerned with my stance, well I guess you care more than I do because I take each case on an individual basis. It has never been a Left-Right thing for me, though I have landed Left more than Right.
Where to start...
I think Clarence Thomas is a creep.
I think people should leave each other alone.
What someone wants to do with their life is their business.
Your rights end where my begin.
If someone wants to kill themselves and they aren't endangering the public by doing so (suicide by cop, DUI, etc) then by all means; have at it.
I believe some people need a hand up sometimes and there is nothing wrong with short-term assistance.
I believe very strongly in the Constitution.
I value my Civil Rights and the Civil Rights of all citizens a great deal.
No law abiding citizen of the United States of America should be discriminated against...EVER.
I believe that we need to maintain good relations with other countries for economic purposes.
I believe that America is one of the greatest of countries in the world, but that our reputation has suffered of late and I think that is rather sad. --- Not because other countries think that we do bad things, but because we have been doing bad things.
We are better than that.
And, yes, BushMan, I think George W. Bush is completely unqualified. I think his administration has really mucked things up big time and I cannot think of a single U.S. president who was least deserving of office.
And I don't think being Anti-Bush is the same as being Anti-Republican.
I believe in other stuff too, of course, but there is no reason to make this post any longer than it needs to be, so there you go.
Oh and I'm from the planet Earth, third one from the sun.
As I've already said, welcome to The Soapbox. I look forward to seeing you around.
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.45chel
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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I want credibility points!! How do I get some of those? 
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