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Coppy
Joined: 28 Oct 2007
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 Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| anonymous_coward wrote: | | I bet most of the people here think people who practice Islam aren't Muslims. |
Man, most people here would agree that Iraq caused 9/11... still.
But, it makes me think about how a lot of people WANT to think. I once caught Bill O'Reilly's show and he really laid it out. He basically said, I don't want to hear anymore about sunni's or shiite's, I don't care, it doesn't matter.... we're the good guys, they're the bad guys, end of story.
People want to live in a black and white world like that, but that's so far from the truth it's what makes intelligent and informed people so angry at this notion that all wars need to have winners and losers and that terror is a tangible thing or that toppling Sadda's regime would actually accomplish something other than creating a violent civil war among Islamic ethnic groups.
I'm one of those people who hates the entire concept of "War on Terror" because terror isn't a thing that can be measured and defeated and forced to surrender. More and more Americans are starting to realize this, but so many still don't. It has to be "we're the good guys, they're the bad guys, and we need to win the war in Iraq." |
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Curious
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Then let's call it what it, a war on terrorists.
Or do you think we can have a dialogue with them and everthing will be all right?? |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Curious wrote: | Then let's call it what it, a war on terrorists.
Or do you think we can have a dialogue with them and everthing will be all right?? |
Of course not; I think you missed my point entirely. |
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Curious
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| And your point was?? |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Curious wrote: | | And your point was?? |
That it's not black and white. There are lot of things consider when it comes to the Islamic world, the middle eastern countries and the causes of terror attacks all over the world. Why does the alternative have to be assumed that we want to negotiate? With who, the kind of the terrorists? What I'm saying is that for every "terrorist" we kill or capture, dozens are trained to take their place. As long as our nation is seen as an aggressor, it will never end.
It's also easy to come up with "good guy/bad guy" reasons why they want to attack us. Bush says it's because they "hate freedom and democracy." Or because "we're awesome" or "better than them." They hate us because we're an imperialist nation, forcing our democracy on very old fashioned, fundamentalist nations but, most of all, it all boils right down to our country's support of that nation of Israel. As long as we support Israel's right to exist (which we should and always will) we will be seen by fundamentalists as Zionist warmongers. What else can I say, there's no amount of fighting we can do to defeat an ideal.
Because that's what the war on terror really is. it's not a war on a country, or a group, or specific individuals. It's a war on an ideal. And these wars can't be won with guns and tanks and anti-personnel ordinance. It's comforting to think that, but ti's just not so. |
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AnonyMouse
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Coppy, you couldn't have said it better.
It's past time to get rid of the term "war on terror." The only way to address terroristic activities is using law enforcement techniques - good old fashioned investigation and prosecution. Every terroristic attack that has been thwarted has happened that way. Using the military and pre-emptive attacks only causes the beast to grow.
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Curious
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| We cannot sit back and not defend our ideal. I disagree with the notion that we are an imperialistic nation. However, I do agree with your thought that it is our relationship with Israel that is the root cause of the terrorists hatred of our country. |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Curious wrote: | | We cannot sit back and not defend our ideal. I disagree with the notion that we are an imperialistic nation. However, I do agree with your thought that it is our relationship with Israel that is the root cause of the terrorists hatred of our country. |
Well, let me just clarify that it doesn't matter whether or not we think we're an imperialistic nation; however, that is most certainly what much of the world thinks, from our greatest enemies to our closest allies. We've alienated ourselves from much of the world which is quite amazing considering the unique position we found ourselves in on September 12, 2001 garnering the world's sympathy. My how that has changed.
Whether or not you see an unfounded and unnecessary invasion of Iraq as imperialistic, that is most certainly how we are seen in the eyes of our global neighbors. While that may not matter much to you our administration, I personally think that it should. |
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BadKarma42
Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, so back to the Rotz incident....has he had his dayin Court yet? If so, what happened? |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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What ever happened to that crazy old man who shot at some guy in a car trying to pass him on double line because they thought he was going too slow. I remember when they asked him why he shot at the guy (after he had crashed while trying to shoot him) he said the "he shouldn't have passed me."
Haha, the funniest part is that this was in such a redneck area, both the old man and the guy he shot at had the same last name! |
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armed_citizen
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| BadKarma42 wrote: | | Ok, so back to the Rotz incident....has he had his dayin Court yet? If so, what happened? |
The appeal hearing is on the 8th.
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BadKarma42
Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | What ever happened to that crazy old man who shot at some guy in a car trying to pass him on double line because they thought he was going too slow. I remember when they asked him why he shot at the guy (after he had crashed while trying to shoot him) he said the "he shouldn't have passed me."
Haha, the funniest part is that this was in such a redneck area, both the old man and the guy he shot at had the same last name! |
They were actually related!!
He got probation. I believe there was something small in the paper about it. Maybe under the sentences they list. |
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springhill
Joined: 09 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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ok today's the big day. look over the various party literature, weigh my political options one last time, take a deep breath, strap on my gloc, and head for the polling place.
more like, strap on my gloc, look in the mirror, draw on myself a couple times, puff out my chest, and strut out the door to the polling place.
for those new to the area, again i reiterate: is a fact that these sort of people reproduce.
but hey.. right to bear arms apparently applies to any intellect even the ones who haven t been butterfly-netted Yet. |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| BadKarma42 wrote: | | Coppy wrote: | What ever happened to that crazy old man who shot at some guy in a car trying to pass him on double line because they thought he was going too slow. I remember when they asked him why he shot at the guy (after he had crashed while trying to shoot him) he said the "he shouldn't have passed me."
Haha, the funniest part is that this was in such a redneck area, both the old man and the guy he shot at had the same last name! |
They were actually related!!
He got probation. I believe there was something small in the paper about it. Maybe under the sentences they list. |
Some guy discharges a firearm towards another human being and gets probation? See here's one that I don't understand at all... in my view, if all these people want to have the right to own firearms unencumbered, then breaking a law or using a gun like this should have more serious consequences.
Of course they were related though; most people around here are. 80% of Fulton County is named Mellott.
I just think that punishments don't always fit the crime. I'm quick to defend some minor criminals when people complain about no one going to jail anymore, but using a gun for any purpose other than self defense, hunting or range shooting should be handled a little more seriously. |
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.45chel
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: |
Some guy discharges a firearm towards another human being and gets probation? See here's one that I don't understand at all... in my view, if all these people want to have the right to own firearms unencumbered, then breaking a law or using a gun like this should have more serious consequences.
I just think that punishments don't always fit the crime. I'm quick to defend some minor criminals when people complain about no one going to jail anymore, but using a gun for any purpose other than self defense, hunting or range shooting should be handled a little more seriously. |
Agree completely.
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