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anonymous_coward



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe if we didn't think only Satan himself could issue liquor licenses we could have some restaurants anchor that area. We already know that in Chambersburg fine dining = Craplebee's or Panera Bread (I had someone say to me, "Have you ever heard of Starbucks?") So throw a couple liquor licenses, get an outback and olive garden out there and people will come all the way from Roxbury to get some of that fine city dining and shopping.
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anonymous_coward wrote:
maybe if we didn't think only Satan himself could issue liquor licenses we could have some restaurants anchor that area. We already know that in Chambersburg fine dining = Craplebee's or Panera Bread (I had someone say to me, "Have you ever heard of Starbucks?") So throw a couple liquor licenses, get an outback and olive garden out there and people will come all the way from Roxbury to get some of that fine city dining and shopping.


I agree with this for the most part, although we can do without more and more chain restaurants. Some nice, locally established places is what we need, but the cost and hassle of getting a liquor license is a HUGE barrier to enty. And you're right, Satan himself does seem to issue these licenses. Isn't Green Township dry though? That was the first big mistake on the location of the mall; but that bridge over 81 needs to be changed as well... desperately.

The movie theater is disgusting. Sticky floors, small screens, lousy sound, level seating... and all for about the same price as the modern theaters in Carlisle and Hagerstown. You'd be well advised not to patronize that theater. The mall itself though; geez, if you can't hold down a Gap, you're a pretty pathetic excuse for a mall.
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anonymous_coward



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coppy wrote:
anonymous_coward wrote:
maybe if we didn't think only Satan himself could issue liquor licenses we could have some restaurants anchor that area. We already know that in Chambersburg fine dining = Craplebee's or Panera Bread (I had someone say to me, "Have you ever heard of Starbucks?") So throw a couple liquor licenses, get an outback and olive garden out there and people will come all the way from Roxbury to get some of that fine city dining and shopping.


I agree with this for the most part, although we can do without more and more chain restaurants. Some nice, locally established places is what we need, but the cost and hassle of getting a liquor license is a HUGE barrier to enty. And you're right, Satan himself does seem to issue these licenses. Isn't Green Township dry though? That was the first big mistake on the location of the mall; but that bridge over 81 needs to be changed as well... desperately.

The movie theater is disgusting. Sticky floors, small screens, lousy sound, level seating... and all for about the same price as the modern theaters in Carlisle and Hagerstown. You'd be well advised not to patronize that theater. The mall itself though; geez, if you can't hold down a Gap, you're a pretty pathetic excuse for a mall.


i don't want to do the grunt work for national chain restaraunts, but what would it take to make greene twp not dry? It would be nice to be able to buy beer and liquor up here. is it a referendum after a petition?
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anonymous_coward wrote:
Coppy wrote:
anonymous_coward wrote:
maybe if we didn't think only Satan himself could issue liquor licenses we could have some restaurants anchor that area. We already know that in Chambersburg fine dining = Craplebee's or Panera Bread (I had someone say to me, "Have you ever heard of Starbucks?") So throw a couple liquor licenses, get an outback and olive garden out there and people will come all the way from Roxbury to get some of that fine city dining and shopping.


I agree with this for the most part, although we can do without more and more chain restaurants. Some nice, locally established places is what we need, but the cost and hassle of getting a liquor license is a HUGE barrier to enty. And you're right, Satan himself does seem to issue these licenses. Isn't Green Township dry though? That was the first big mistake on the location of the mall; but that bridge over 81 needs to be changed as well... desperately.

The movie theater is disgusting. Sticky floors, small screens, lousy sound, level seating... and all for about the same price as the modern theaters in Carlisle and Hagerstown. You'd be well advised not to patronize that theater. The mall itself though; geez, if you can't hold down a Gap, you're a pretty pathetic excuse for a mall.


i don't want to do the grunt work for national chain restaraunts, but what would it take to make greene twp not dry? It would be nice to be able to buy beer and liquor up here. is it a referendum after a petition?


I have no idea; it is a good question though. But is it really worth looking into? Like anything else in Franklin County, this is the same-old-same-old. Old fart commissioners or whoever wanting things to be the way they've always been, no matter how lousy or boring it may be; not to mention ridiculous as in the case of the mall.

Hey, if there's something I can do, sign me up.
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Trey



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's been mentioned here but I believe another reason our Mall suffers is because it's located in a dry township. Look at the success of the Valley Mall in Hagerstown. They have multiple resturants that serve alcohol in and around their Mall and now have an Olive Garden being built in front of the Mall. I think having good resturants in close proxmity to a Mall has to help business.
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ZiggyStardust



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The Gap" is pretty much synonymous with "The Mall." If the Gap doesn't even stay, you know it's in trouble. So what do we have? Hot Topic (blech), American Eagle (blech), some sneaker joints and a lame excuse for a bookstore (no Bukowski? Really?!)

My only suggestion is to bulldoze the place to the ground and make it a park or something. The location is bad anyway (for the most part so are malls, for that matter). If people here think $30 for jeans is expensive, there's no point in having a mall.

I agree, if liquor licenses were issued more frequently I think the area would improve in general. They should also sell liquor in grocery stores and gas stations. I'm from VA (where you can buy beer and wine in a grocery store and beer in gas stations) and guess what, theyhave the same amount of DUIs as PA!
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Noel



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your right something needs to be done with Chambersburg Mall it's going downhill fast. I recently visited there on a Friday evening (I do enjoy shopping without a bunch of unsupervised teenagers running lose) and noticed how bare the mall was on a Friday night no less, very sad. I usually do shop at the Valley Mall but will only do so in the off hours due the unsupervised kids running lose. But they have every store and a wide selection of stores to choose from, also the service I received was better when compared to Chambersburg Mall. I just wasn't impressed and didn't feel the need to shop there, and when I did purchase something the clerk (JC Penney's) acted like I was a bother to her and was about the rudest cutomer service/sales clerk I've encountered in a while (she was an older lady that just didn't seem to want to be bothered) but I guess that can happen anywhere but it just added to the overall experience. I too would like to see some new stores come to our are such as Boscov's or Barnes & Noble or Ann Taylor. I can't imagine why these types of stores wouldn't do well with all the nice housing that's near by, surely there money to be spent here.
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noel wrote:
\I too would like to see some new stores come to our are such as Boscov's or Barnes & Noble or Ann Taylor. I can't imagine why these types of stores wouldn't do well with all the nice housing that's near by, surely there money to be spent here.


I think those stores, and others, would do well around here; hence the reason we even got a Target, Circuit City, etc. But they're not going to build unless some national chain restaurants can help anchor the shopping center and since Green Twnshp is dry, that will never happen.

The Chambersburg Mall is an awful place that should be torn down. Of course that would leave all of Chambersburg and the surrounding area without a single movie theater. Not that I would ever consider going to that disgusting theater at the mall, but you know what I mean. Whoever owns it certainly isn't doing much investing in it; people around here just dont care, so why should they?

The Valley Mall is partially a success because of the development around it; Green refuses to allow any kind of development near the mall, including on and around the I-81 overpass at the Scotland exit which is absolute nightmare. I wouldn't go to the mall exclusively to avoid that intersection.

Look, I've said it before; I support responsible development in small patches along the I-81 corridor. I don't want anyone's farmland to be destroyed, but the mall seems like the perfect spot for expanding some commercial centers and it's close enough to Shippensburg to pull in people from that direction. Honestly, it's probably the residents of Green more than anyone that don't want anything to change, but despite that I'd love to see the utter failure of that mall on principle alone. I mean, they have to be pulling in at least decent tax revenues from those stores.
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, I saw Flamer's closed down; but a Japanese/Vietnamese restaurant opened nearby. I give that place about 3 weeks before they shrivel up and die. What are they thinking? Ethnic foot (other than pizza) at the Chambersburg Mall?

Also, Foot Locker is dead; I think it's now yet another dollar-type store. That makes what, three or four in the mall now?
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faeryedark



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually it's a game store (as in board games) and there was a Chinese restaurant in there before (exactly where there is one now) It was there for years and if I recall correctly the lady closed it down due to personal reasons.
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

faeryedark wrote:
Actually it's a game store (as in board games) and there was a Chinese restaurant in there before (exactly where there is one now) It was there for years and if I recall correctly the lady closed it down due to personal reasons.


Oh, right; I think it was board games now that I remember. The Gap is now a luggage store.

I don't remember there ever being a Chinese restaurant where the new one is now though; how long ago was that?
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faeryedark



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm... it was when Eckerd was still there. I'd say '01-'02 something like that is when it closed.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noel wrote:
I recently visited there on a Friday evening (I do enjoy shopping without a bunch of unsupervised teenagers running lose) and noticed how bare the mall was on a Friday night no less, very sad.



when they made the "rule" about unsupervised 'teenagers' in the late 80's/early 90's (forget when exactly) is when i believe the demise of our ex-beloved Cburg mall started....the business owners forget that teens often have some of their parent's cash that they want to spend, and they took that market away. Silly rule...you have the 'police' patrolling the corridors to keep the denizens of the mall safe. it *used* to be busy...and it *used* to have good stores.

no gap? people leave....

waldenbooks? just a pain in the butt to walk halfway down the mall (wouldn't a back exit there be sweet?)...

eh, bonton, jc penney....bah. bon ton should've stayed where they were before they joined up with the mall brigade back when it was "eyerly's"....ditto penney's, cuz they killed southgate then)


the movie theatre sux at the mall. i don't know about you but i LOVE to listen to the 2 movies on either side of me when i'm watching mine. lmao...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to sound like such the snob, but here goes...Until we moved to Maryland I had no idea there was such a thing as a one story mall. After visiting F.S. Key Mall in Frederick the only thing I could think was, "Thank Goodness, I've never been a mall rat!"

Hagerstown isn't horrible, I guess, but I really feel bad that that mall is the best that some people know.

Macy's, J.C.Penney, Parisian, Borders, Old Navy, Bachrach, Charlotte Russe, Nordstrom, LVL X, New York & Company, Man Alive, Victoria's Secret, Bath & Bodyworks, Gourmet Cooking supply stores, Bakers, Bella Scarpa, Hat Shack, BodyCentral, Hot Topic (I like their toys), Fusion, Journey's, MAC Cosmetics, Things Remembered, Wilsons Leather, Wet Seal, Arete', Aeropostale, American Eagle Outfitters, Artful Living, Earthbound Trading Company, Brookstone, Abercrombie & Fitch, Disney Store, Bed Bath & Beyond, Bombay Company, Pottery Barn, Armani Exchange, Nine West, Caché, GameStop, Games Workshop
and, yes, even the dreaded Gap are just a few of the stores that a mall should consist of.

For entertainment/misc, I s'pose one could start with:
Glamour Shots, The Picture People, Imax 3-D, Build-A-Bear Workshop

For counter food:
Cinnabon, Great American Cookie Co.(double doozies are one of the perfect foods), Marble Slab Creamery, The Honey Baked Ham Company, Sbarro, Great Steak & Potato Company, Great Wraps, Chick-fil-A, Bourbon St. Cafe, Atlanta Bread Company (yeah, I realize we're 600 miles away, but I can dream!!), Lindt Chocolatier

Now, drinks would be nice, but none are required for the above selections. All that is needed is shoppers willing to part with their money and a facility. We kinda sorta have a facility.
Now who needs to be hung up by their toes to make this happen?!


>>>And banning teens is just counterproductive. Besides it looks like Claire's can take care of themselves! Wink


>>>Last point. Went into Value City on Black Friday...EW, EW and EW some more! That place is nasty and has no place in any mall. One of those enclosed flea market places that sells counterfeit everything, maybe, but not in a mall. Geez, bring on the Burlington Coat Factory!! I hope they have lots of lysol!
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in the Harrisburg area where we had Colonial Park, Harrisburg East, Capital City and Camp Hill malls all pretty close to each other, not to mention the gigantic Park City Mall in Lancaster. What has made all of those malls, plus even malls like the Valley Mall, considerably better are that they don't chase away teenagers AND they allow restaurants that actually serve alcohol around them. Most have a casual bar/grill type restaurant right in them these days.

The problem is Green Township, plain and simple. They have no interest in development at all, but that's where the mall is so it will just continue to shrivel up and die. You would think they'd be pulling in some decent tax revenue from a fully-functioning mall, too.

I say don't patronize it at all. Just drive to Hagerstown. If there was a decent mall there though, it would pull in a huge number of people; all the way from Carlisle to the MD border.
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