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munchkin · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

I have been on the end of reverse discrimination. I do not blame all blacks however

I do not have a deep seeded hate for all blacks as Wright does toward whites. Any racism is ugly and disgusting AM. To have this racebaiter up there screaming his hate, seeing the crowd nod and clap, seeing small kids listening to this crap is sad to see

Seeing the left jump to Obam's defense after they savaged Loot and Imus does not surprise me. Or how trhe race card has been played against other conservatives when there is no or thin evidence

Huckabee is wrong. He to is giving Obama a pass despite all the facts to the contrary

munchkin · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

Gotta go AM. Thank you for a nice exchange of opinions. I will check back later, and I hope you have a great day

anonymous_coward · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 490

did you watch the speech munchkin, i thought it was amazing, and speaks to what your concerns. I agree it's important to remember that a lot of the people i fervently disagree with on topix are my coworkers and neighbors, who've helped me, and who I've helped. It feels good to be brought back together, and not divided so we hate people who disagree with.

munchkin · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

Yes I watched it - and I am pointing out the flaws in Obama's story. What he said before he made the speech does not agree with what he said in the speech

The Obama supporters I see on TV have a strange way of bringing us together

If you call Obama on the holes in his story, you are a racist.

Torgo · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject:

Some thoughts on the speech and Obama in general:

— Comparing Obama to Imus in this context is wrong. Imus said the words that got him in trouble. Obama did not. It's a disingenuous comparison.

— Furthermore, anyone who thinks "reverse discrimination" - whatever that means - compares to generations of race-based systemic oppression is not going to be reached by any means.

— It's a valid point that white America has little idea what going on in black churches. It's not surprising that a culture that experienced such oppression for so long would be prone — even now — to fiery and controversial rhetoric. The outsider's perspective is often considered shocking.

— The full weight and intellectual nuance of that speech cannot be assimilated by watching it on YouTube. You need to read it. I had to read it twice.

— Obama is to be credited for sticking with his friend. I'd lose more respect for him if he did not. Unlike many, I'm willing to take him at his word when he says Wright is not defined by his oratorical rhetoric. After all, he's in a position to know, and I am not.

— A man or a culture that is willing to acknowledge America's faults is in a better position to help fix them than those unable or unwilling to see the problems.

— I've been following politics for 25 years, and I've never seen a speech like that one. He's dancing on the edge of political suicide to confront head-on these understandable ignorance-based misgivings Wright has caused in middle America. Support him or not, the man has guts, acumen and principles, more so than anyone else on the stage.
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munchkin · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

Obama demanded Imus be fired - yet he gives his racist pastor a pass

Reverse discrimination is when a less qualified black is promoted or hired over a qualified white.

I am glad I know about black churches now - I never knew so much hate and racism could be sprewed in a Church

All Obama did was give a pass to a racist, and at the same time trip himslef up on many of his previous statements

No wonder he is dropping in the polls

Obaba is either lying or he is stupid. I want to know which one applies

AnonyMouse · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 405

AnonyMouse · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 405

munchkin · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

There is no confusion. First Obama said he never heard about Wright's comments - now it turns out he did. There is no middle ground

I wonder where all this understanding about racist comments were when Trent Lott made an innocent comment at a birthday party? Or Imus for his stupid comment?

The very people who are defending Obama, his pastor, and his wife about their remarks were out for blood with Lott and Imus

Where are the nations race baiters Jackson and Rev Al. they are silent on this one? I am not surprised they are AOL

munchkin · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

munchkin · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

Looks like Obama's excuses are not playing well here in PA.

Obama racial issues may extend to Pa.

PHILADELPHIA — Stephanie Gill, a bartender in a white working-class neighborhood, noticed the shift immediately.

A week ago, her customers at Rauchut’s Tavern in Tacony didn’t have much to say about Barack Obama. But when she returned to work Wednesday, a day after the Illinois senator attempted to quell the furor over his pastor’s racially incendiary remarks, the reaction inside the corner bar was raw and unapologetic.

“People are not happy with Obama,” Gill said. “It’s the race stuff.”

Obama has always been a tough sell in largely white Northeast Philadelphia and in the city's blue-collar river wards, a collection of white ethnic enclaves where customers at the local watering hole are often born and raised in the neighborhood that supports it.

And his speech Tuesday, although widely praised by the pundit caste and Obama supporters, has only seemed to widen the gulf with the Budweiser class here.

More than a dozen interviews Wednesday found voters unmoved by Obama’s plea to move beyond racial divisions of the past. Despite baring himself with extraordinarily personal reflections on one of the most toxic issues of the day, a highly unusual move for a politician running for national office, the debate inside taverns and beauty shops here had barely moved beyond outrage aimed at the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Obama’s refusal to “disown” his longtime pastor.

A day after the speech, local residents were left wondering whether Obama was candid in the last week when he said he hadn’t heard any of Wright’s most objectionable remarks, but then said Tuesday that he had heard “controversial” remarks while sitting in the pews.

“He lied to Anderson Cooper,” said Rodica Mitrea, an aesthetician and immigrant from Romania, referring to an Obama interview Friday with the CNN anchor.

The reactions are merely a snapshot of a slice of the electorate, but it is a highly coveted one.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton relied on this blue-collar coalition — Catholics, union households, ethnic Europeans — to win Ohio. It accounts for her significant lead in Pennsylvania polls, and represents the demographic that political analysts say Obama needs to make gains with in order to present the strongest case possible for the Democratic nomination and the presidency.

Obama built his lead in the delegate race with a different kind of coalition. He won white voters in states like Virginia, Illinois and Wisconsin. But in recent contests, he has relied on African-Americans to offset Clinton’s strength among working-class whites.

Larry Ceisler, a Philadelphia political strategist, said the unvarnished look at race in America could help Obama in the suburban counties that surround Philadelphia, which carry an identity as a well-to-do, increasingly Democratic battleground.

“The speech plays only among the elites,” Ceisler said. “The average person on the street cares about the economy and the war and everyday life.”

Glenn Peter, 54, a patron at Rauchut’s Tavern, said he heard finger pointing, not reconciliation. He took issue with Obama’s explanation that Wright’s observations of a racist America were reflecting the racial scars of his past.

“I don’t want to hear that you are blaming us for him saying this,” said Peter, who is white and worked at an auto parts factory until it was shuttered several years ago. Cutting ties with the church “would have been the best way to do it. That way, I could have been able to listen to him again.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9132.html

AnonyMouse · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 405

munchkin · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

So Am, if I am reading your post correctly - black racism is fine with you

But white racism needs to be destroyed the moment it is seen or heard

AnonyMouse · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 405

munchkin · Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 235

No black racism? Give me a break!

This church gave a lifetime awrd to Looney Louie - a big racist

Look at how black Dems treated MIchael Steele in MD. They called him Uncle Tom, a sellout, and threw Oreo cookies at him while he was making speeches

Is that OK with you?