The Public Opinion Soapbox

AnonyMouse · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 405

pathfinder_17233 said:

me · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 119

Horse,

I agree 100% with you. Recently the Senate held hearings on this and two local farmers testified how immigration reform would harm their businesses and also about how it's impossible for them to determine is someone is an illegal and it's against the law for them to discriminate, yadda yadda yadda. Bottom line is the illegals are a cheap labor force and and if loose that force, then it effects their bottom line.

So yes, we need TOTAL immigration reform and enforcement and that enforcement needs to include VERY STIFF penalties for employers.

Now it is also a fact that there is a VERY large base of illegals here that DO NOT work at all and live off the welfare systems. I think they estimated the number of WORKING illegals at 2%!!!!!!!

pathfinder_17233 · Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject:

since we are talking about native american, i must be a euro-american so i can make fun of euros and native american, like a lot of others in this area. because i do!

pathfinder_17233 · Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject:

then we have to do more then slap the hands of those that hire illeagl workers.

pathfinder_17233 · Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject:

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 2758 Location: Chambersburg

A Talking Horse · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 139 Location: Cove Gap

Dave · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 162

I've seen that American Indian t-shirt.

It should make you wonder. Aren't most of us decendents of illegal immigrants.

The American Indians were living here - hanging out in the forests or moving around the plains. They were doing OK.

Then we came along & said they weren't doing it right. They need log houses, fences, stores, commerce, factories, etc. Oh, and by the way, we get to lay claim to your land.

Then did we have our own genocide?

With a history like that and with slavery, who are we to condemn other societies, countries, etc. We use our history as a source of patriotism but we should also look upon our history as a source of being humble and understanding.

anonymous_coward · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 490

you can go deeper than even that. Most of the original colonies were fleeing religious persecution and ended up in the US. But even in that time the people who had just been persecuted became the persecutors. The Germans who settled here were discriminated against by the English who were already here in PA. The Irish, Polish and Italian immigrants were forced to live in tenements, work the undesirable jobs, and considered undesirables by the established (the English, Germans, etc, who just been mistreated a few generations early themselves). Today most Americans are a few generations removed from the last wave of immigrants (Immigrants --> lower socioeconomic status --> higher birthrate --> greater share of the future population) but despite their ancestors trials continue to oppress the new immigrants (Hispanics). All these people who complain that the Hispanics are going to take over the country forget that their own ancestors did the same thing, as recently as the early 1900s.

walrus1 · Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 63

I don't have a problem with people immigrating legally. The only people who are oppressing the illegal immigrants are those who support the status quo. They force the illegals into the shadows of society, mistreat them, pay them sub-standard wages, don't supply any benefits or even pay workmen's comp in many cases. If they are injured they are just replaced. It is a modern indentured servant class.

They would be better off coming through a guest worker program, where they are legal AND can complain if they are mistreated. Canada has a model guest worker program, where employers identify jobs needed filled and the guest worker has the position before he ever leaves his country of origin. The funny thing is Mexico treats foreign workers worse then we do and doesn't allow them to immigrate to work and yet they are crying the loudest.

It is also a public safety and national security concern to not know who is coming and going. thousands of murders, rapes and kidnappings occur because we are allowing criminals to cross our borders. It is only time until terrorists use our southern border to attack us. Mexican military, bought off by drug lords have invaded our souvern soil to protect the transport of drugs, while our own national guard had to retreat. Our own service men running from a foreign third world military in our own country! Ask yourself why the government doesn't want numbers put out on crime rate, it is even rare they will print the status in the paper. There was a terrible rape and murder in Florida and out of 23 newspaper and internet reports there was only one local paper that reported he was an illegal.

No those who are actually repressing and abusing imigrants are those who want to keep things the way they are.

anonymous_coward · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 490

so you're ok with amnesty then?

armed_citizen · Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 212 Location: Chambersburg, PA

anonymous_coward · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 490