The Public Opinion Soapbox

me · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 119

"....you missed the entire point. who decides how many immigrants from what country will be allowed in illegally each year? why not make anyone who wants to come in from south america or mexico be legal? what reason can you give for not wanting hispanic immigrants that isn't racist?"

NO, you missed the point. Once again, the point is it's not about IMMIGRATION !!! Immmigrants come here LEGALLY.

THE POINT is ILLEGAL ALIENS, PERIOD and has nothing to do with race, you're the one that keeps harping on that issue!!! WHy is that????

I think the problem lies in the naming of this entire issue. It should have been named ILLEGAL ALIENS from the start, but wait, maybe that's why they named it Illegal Immigration, to pull at the racism hear strings!!!???

So PLEASE stop implying that I and others are racists. You do not know me or what I stand for.

A Talking Horse · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 139 Location: Cove Gap

me · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 119

anonymous_coward wrote:
so if i proposed a bill tomorrow that any hispanic born who could prove they had a job waiting for them in this country could immigrate LEGALLY what would be the problem?

If the business could prove that they have no eligible American applicants and the pay will have taxes taken out and is at least minimum wage --nothing.

And I agree, with two stipualtioons. First, as long as the above are MET before they are allowed in this country and SECOND and more importantly, REMOVE any and all references to any race, ethnicity, etc.

YOU ARE making it a race issue again!!!!

anonymous_coward · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 490

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 2751 Location: Chambersburg

Amazing how easy it is when there are no special interests are involved, isn't it?

You've got lobbyists for businesses who think they should pay immigrants less than minimum wage and you've got people who think all illegals should be free and clear.

For me, it really IS a principle thing. I don't want people in this country working as indentured servants or for slave wages, whether they're citizens or not. It is too easy to for them to be taken advantage of and it's not what my America is all about. Same for entering the country legally, yeah, it may be a touch home plate, spin around in a circle & clap their hands thing, but if they're coming here for citizenship, why start off on the wrong foot?

In your words, to be clear, I would absolutely support a bill that states: anyone from any country can immigrate to the US as long as they have a job waiting for them and will pay taxes and anyone who is already here can stay here if they leave and then come back and have a job they're coming to also! Don't forget the wage requirements. If they're paying taxes they're going to need that extra money! Wink

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me · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 119

ok, so just to be clear, you would support a bill that states: anyone from any country can immigrate to the US as long as they have a job waiting for them and will pay taxes? anyone who is already here can stay here if they leave and then come back (touch home plate, spin around in a circle, clap their hands; seems stupid to me, but must matter to you) and have a job they're coming to also. I think we just solved the immigration problem[/quote]

I have NO problem with the first part, but the second part is what troubles me somewhat. Many of the illegals do NOT work. I do believe the stats said only 2% of the 12_ million illegals are migrant/ seasonal workers and no one knows what the remaining 98% do, so yes, I would say they must leave the country and abide by the laws, just like the rest.

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 2751 Location: Chambersburg

Dave · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 162

There is one factor here that most do not consider.

I think most of the illegals work. A lot come here to work & support family back home in Mexico, Guatemala, where ever.

A lot live cheap. They room together, live in some not so nice places - to live as cheaply as possible to send money home. (I once worked a summer job in the early 70's that required travel. We were paid $7.00 a day for meals & room. We made money on that.)

That $5 or $6 a hour under the table may not buy much here, but that same $5 or $6 probably buys a whole bunch in their homeland.

So, to us, that $5 or $6/HR job is not very good, to the illegal sending money home, it is like $10 or $12 or more.

So, they really are not working for less. The money sent "home" is staggering and is not good for our economy.

Coppy · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2265 Location: Chambersburg

Illegals come here to work; I would assume very few are unemployed. The agricultural and food prep industries are pretty much run on illegal labor.

anonymous_coward · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 490

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walrus1 · Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 63

some ideas to overhaul immigration:

1. Anyone serving honorably in the Armed forces gets automatic citizenship and during that time the immediate family is allowed to stay. If you are willing to fight and die for this country then you are an American.

2. Hold businesses accountable, you hire illegal immigrants you get heavily fined, if you keep breaking the law you go to jail.

3. I am generally against amnesty. But there is one way most people may accept it. Illegals can go back to their country of origin to apply to immigrate or they can stay here and apply for citizenship, being subjected to income taxation at the highest rate on all income until you are legal. Anyone not applying or paying taxes or they commit any major crimes before citizenship, shall be exported and can never immigrate to the U.S.. Their wages should go up because they will be legal and companies won't be able to abuse them for profit.

4. To come here legally you have to show you can provide for yourself and have a sponsored. If you are already here you should have to meet the same standard. When you apply you should have a sponsor and/or show you have been supporting yourself. Elderly, minors and disabled can be exempt but could use undocumented family members. Public assistance of any kind should be tightly monitored for non citizens, if you can't ever provide for yourself without cause why should you be allowed to stay here?

5. Anyone from any country with a needed skill or training should be fast tracked, there is no reason to make doctors or scientists wait years. The important thing should be can contribute to the U.S., not what color their skin is or their country.

6. Immigration shall be controlled and implemented by the federal government and activitly enforced. No state shall make a law infringing on the federal jurisdiction or not enforce federal immigration laws.