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Pudunkville, I think not!
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Andy G



Joined: 06 Aug 2008
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Location: 34 N. Main St Chambersburg,Pa 17201

PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Pudunkville, I think not! Reply with quote

OMG, what an amazing array of stories and topics in the paper today. It seems that overnight we went from small issues and filler news to big city headlines. Controversy, murder,politics, Elvis clothing sold for huge amount. Don't know whether to be embarrassed, amused or entertained. I'm just glad to have a full years subscription! Wink
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John Chambersburg



Joined: 25 Apr 2008
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Location: Chambersburg

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a little stretch of the imagination sees the metamorphis from pudunk to big city times. (mornings paper...someone shot in Lugan). we ain't in mayberry rfd anymore nor Kansas, Toto.
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Coppy



Joined: 28 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're not podunk, but a lot of people here want us to be.
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John Chambersburg



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chambersburg has gotten to where it is today, certainly NOT by any planning whatsoever on any of the local officials part, but truly on its own. People moving here and developers doing their things has gotten Franklin Co. to where it is today. Growth is good...BUT...it would be excellent had planning...and planning...and planning been done years and years ago. It just amazes me how Chambersburg and Franklin Co. practically run on its own. I know...I'm just a lay person.
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the most poorly-planned community I've ever seen in my life.

People avoid planning thinking that planning will necessitate development; yet development is inevitable and without planning, it can't be done responsibly.

In other words, thanks to local ignorance, everyone loses.

It's sort of like not teaching safe sex to teens because you think it will make teens have more sex.

And yet again, a local told me how all this development is "destroying our farmland."

I still don't understand this?? What farmland is being destroyed? All the development I've seen, along the highway, has been done on land that was previously completely vacant! And all future development in that Gabler Tract area is land that is nothing but overgrown grass right now.

I'll just never get this local mindset, and as long as it persists, we will continue to be "podunk."
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.45chel



Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that depends.

Does podunk mean warehouses gone wild?

I'd add more, but I don't need to, as usual, Coppy has typed it all.
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Andy G



Joined: 06 Aug 2008
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Location: 34 N. Main St Chambersburg,Pa 17201

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My original intent was to take a shot at those that think that this area is still backward and at the Public Opinion itself. The shot at the paper was in regards to all the AP news rather than all the chances it has to report more on local issues that affect the local community.
The shot at some of the locals that still see this area as preety backwards does refer to some of your commentary about growth and planning. I've lived in a number of other communities that have grown the same way that we are heading. Develop the outskirts of town with all those nice big box stores and watch the heart of the town get run down. follow the traditional path for years and then go back to reform the run down areas to bring people back into the blighted areas. What a vicious cycle. I'm sure that local politicians have a tough time with this issue and how best to balance the growth and development. I know as population grows that it is nice to have the big box stores to try and keep the community from going elsewhere to shop, but what I'm not convinced about is whether enough is being done to keep the inner part of town vital.
For all these things I am sure we are beyond Pudunkville. Lots of progressive things happening but it is nice to retain the small town charm. The larger and faster a community grows the less and less you know your neighbors, business owners and politicians. I for one appreciate the ease of accessabiliy to them right now and don't like being treated like the big city whereas you leave your name and number and hope they call.
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.45chel



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retaining the small town charm...Absolutely.

IMnsHO, revitalizing downtown Chambersburg is necessary for this community.

I disagree that downtown can only be cleaned up by getting rid of the ethnic groceries, though. (An argument made by many on Topix) I feel that they wouldn't be there if there was not enough business to sustain them and, frankly, I would be upset if Tito's Tacos was run out.

I know there are quite few Hispanic groceries in the area surrounding downtown C-burg, but think of all the chain groceries we have in the area. (I can think of 6 straight away.) Not to mention Mom & Pop groceries and the Mennonite/Amish run grocery/deli stores.

Revitalizing downtown will be a great deal of work --- all I can suggest is baby steps. Maybe we could start with cleaning up the facades. Put a shine on it and get people in the remodeling mood.


Heck, I don't know.
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armed_citizen



Joined: 27 Oct 2007
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Location: Chambersburg, PA

PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.45chel wrote:
Maybe we could start with cleaning up the facades. Put a shine on it and get people in the remodeling mood.


Clean and shine all you want. When a business is open while I'm working, and closed when I'm not, guess how much money I'll be spending there.
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.45chel



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darn you for your valid arguments!! Laughing

I still haven't made it to 7 P's!
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Dragas



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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Location: Waynesboro, PA

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

armed_citizen wrote:
.45chel wrote:
Maybe we could start with cleaning up the facades. Put a shine on it and get people in the remodeling mood.


Clean and shine all you want. When a business is open while I'm working, and closed when I'm not, guess how much money I'll be spending there.


This trend even trickles over to side of the road produce markets. I drive by at 5pm and they close up shop ??? However if I go by at 1pm on my days off they are open.
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Andy G



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Location: 34 N. Main St Chambersburg,Pa 17201

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I can some what agree with the hours of operation statements as we grow I hope that will change. Soon there should be a couple of new restaurants that will open( Cafe Datalia and Bistro71) and will bring in a later draw. As these things happen there will be a chance to amend some of the business hours to accommedate the later draw into town. As one comment said, baby steps. Progress happens slowly and in gradual steps. But at least, as a business owner, I'm seeing some positive things happening. Moving forward at a snails pace is better than not moving forward at all.
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anonymous_coward



Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coppy wrote:
This is the most poorly-planned community I've ever seen in my life.

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you've never been to wilkes-barre, particulary kingston and the areas around it have you? they like to have parking on both sides of the street, and 2 way traffic on a road that's wide enough to one lane traffic and one lane of parking
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cookieclaygirl



Joined: 03 Dec 2007
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Location: shippensburg

PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL....i was gonna say W.B. and Scranton


omg....scranton....CHAAAAAOS!!!!!!
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anonymous_coward wrote:
Coppy wrote:
This is the most poorly-planned community I've ever seen in my life.

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you've never been to wilkes-barre, particulary kingston and the areas around it have you? they like to have parking on both sides of the street, and 2 way traffic on a road that's wide enough to one lane traffic and one lane of parking


Obviously I was exaggerating (or maybe not so obviously). Oh well, glad I don't live in Wilkes-Barre... but in its defense, there is more to do there. I almost went to college in Scranton, but then, I went to Scranton. There went that idea.

Andy G; what's this Cafe Datalia, and when is Bistro71 opening?

Also, I understand criticism of the PO, but the AP stories they run are State, National and World stories. The PO focuses on local stories... and often, that isn't much. It's not the PO's fault that Chambersburg doesn't have much to talk about.

As the originator of this thread pointed out though, sometimes it can get downright crazy.

Anyway, I think that the PO has improved considerably since I first moved here.

Besides, people will criticize the PO if they don't report enough, and then criticize if they report on something people don't deem "newsworthy." It's a lose-lose with some folks and they're best left ignored.

Last note; small town feel, i.e. "knowing your neighbors." I'm not from Chambersburg, so most people here treat me like an outsider. Right from the get go. Many are friendly, but quite frankly, this truly is a very grumpy region where a lot of people just want to be left alone... especially if they don't know you from their childhood.

I've been to much outwardly friendlier places.
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