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AnonyMouse
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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: White House "misled" the public? Say it ain't so! |
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| Quote: | WASHINGTON (AP) — Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan blames President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for efforts to mislead the public about the role of White House aides in leaking the identity of a CIA operative.
In an excerpt from his forthcoming book, McClellan recounts the 2003 news conference in which he told reporters that aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were "not involved" in the leak involving operative Valerie Plame.
"There was one problem. It was not true," McClellan writes, according to a brief excerpt released Tuesday. "I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest-ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff and the president himself." |
I am shocked...shocked! I tell you. How can this be?! Who would have ever thought that the President and Vice-President would mislead the American public?!
| Quote: | Much has been made about the fact that outing Plame as a CIA operative was a felony, since knowingly revealing the identity of an intelligence asset is illegal. And much will be made about the fact that McClellan's statement links Bush and Cheney to the cover-up of illegal activities and the obstruction of justice, acts that are themselves felonies.
But it is important to recognize that a bigger issue is at stake. If the president and vice president knowingly participated in a scheme to attack a critic of their administration -- Wilson had revealed that the White House had been informed that arguments Bush and Cheney used for attacking Iraq were ungrounded -- they have committed a distinct sort of offense that the House Judiciary Committee has already determined to be grounds for impeachment. |
But here's the most relevant quote:
| Quote: | | The only question is whether the current Congress is up to the task of holding the 43rd president to account. |
Anybody want to take odds on that? I'm not holding my breath. |
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Dave
Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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I am thinking to run for President with the sole platform of utilizing the new powers that Bush gave himself that when I am elected, two certain people might be aprehended as enemy combatants & taken to some black site where the torture techniques that we don't admit to using are applied until we know the truth. And Dick, that waterboard - "little dunk in the water" comment will have new meaning.
Nixon was booted because of a cover up of a break in to gain political information. Here we are talking about putting agents at risk for the Plame incident & people dying because of the Iraq lies. This goes way beyond cover up.
Way to go Scott!!! May you be the first of many to tell us the truth.
If we,as a nation, do not pursue this, then we deserve to get what we get when this is repeated over & over to a varying degree worse each time.
We need to prosecute & put these people in jail for what they have done to this country. The only question should be - how far down the line we go - Rummy? Rice? Gonzales? Frist?.
We might send Barry Bonds to jail for lying about a game. Bill Clinton was impeached because he believed it was not anyone's business about sex between two consenting adults. If we let Bush & Co. off the hook, then shame on us. |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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We might send Barry Bonds to jail for lying about a game. Bill Clinton was impeached because he believed it was not anyone's business about sex between two consenting adults. If we let Bush & Co. off the hook, then shame on us. |
"cut and run," "support the troops," "shock and awe," "mission accomplished," "war on terror," "Islamofascism," "stay the course," "embolden the terrorists," "Axis of Evil," "liberal media," "Plame Game," and "I do think we'll be welcomed as liberators" |
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AnonyMouse
Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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I’m sick and tired of you setting me up,
Setting me up just to knock-a knock-a knock-a me down
| Quote: | Publisher: McClellan doesn't believe Bush lied
Spokesman 'did not intend to suggest' the president purposely misled him |
| Quote: | Peter Osnos, the founder and editor-in-chief of Public Affairs Books, which is publishing McClellan's book in April, tells NBC from his Connecticut home that McCLellan, "Did not intend to suggest Bush lied to him."
Osnos says when McClellan went before the White House press corps in 2003 to publicly exonerate Libby and Rove, the problem was that his statement was not true. Osnos said the president told McClellan what "he thought to be the case." But, he says, McClellan believes, "the president didn't know it was not true." |
| Quote: | | And he says McClellan had not finished the manuscript for the memoir yet and was working under deadline to have the book completed for the April publishing. |
Well, evidently the "exerpt" they released was just to generate interest in Scotty's book. They sure didn't mean to get anyone all excited that Scotty had actually grown a pair and was preparing to come clean on any specifics around Bush's corruption.
Fortunately for congressional Democrats, they dodged the bullet and again don't have to worry about actually doing anything to address the most corrupt administration in modern history. |
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Coppy
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Tony Snow wrote a book too; he was hocking it on The Daily Show the one night. Now, Tony Snow's a pretty down-to-Earth guy and I liked him a heck of a lot more than the McClellan wind bag. Jon Stewart gave another world class interview, but it shows that Snow is still just another Bush lapdog.
Quick, can anyone even name the new press secretary?
Didn't think so. |
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AnonyMouse
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Dana Perino - she's a cutie.
Too bad she's not pretty on the inside.
| Quote: | | Dana Perino knows how to elicit a partisan response. In 1998 at the height of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, she trained her Hungarian hunting dog, Henry, to bark when asked, "Should Clinton go to jail?" He growls when you say, "Al Gore," and retrieves a flip-flop when you mention John Kerry. |
Partisan hack, just like the rest. |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow; she's like Ann Coulter with shorter hair; inside and out! |
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AnonyMouse
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| Coppy wrote: |
"cut and run," "support the troops," "shock and awe," "mission accomplished," "war on terror," "Islamofascism," "stay the course," "embolden the terrorists," "Axis of Evil," "liberal media," "Plame Game," and "I do think we'll be welcomed as liberators" |
Reminds me of this poster.
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe I missed "slam dunk."
Great poster; I just took whatever I had on the top of my head. You only have to watch Fox News for about 10 minutes to get most of them. |
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Coppy
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My favorite neo-con talking point has to be the perception that they'll "follow us home." Right? I mean, the perception that if we don't "win" in Iraq (a near impossibility at this point) that the terrorists will "follow us home" and, God forbid, another 9-11 will happen.
I can seriously go on and on about this for several paragraphs. Perceptions of what constitutes "terror" and/or what "provoked" 9/11. "Dead or Alive" is what our president told us about Osama Bin Laden, I watched that address, and he had my support. Dead or alive. I have no doubt that 9/11 would have happened no matter who was president, Gore or Bush, but I do think that Gore wouldn't have continued reading "My Pet Goat" nor do I believe we would have gone after Saddam Hussein, perhaps the most secular leader of the Muslim world and perhaps the only equilibrium force in the middle east.
The Afghanistan thing; I'm all behind that. The Taliban, the fundamentalists; let's do what we can to avoid another attack on America. But by God, going after Saddam Hussein in Iraq was perhaps the biggest blunder in American history. I'm not saying that Bush is the worst president ever; I mean, have you seen James K. Polk's record? And you don't hear a lot of grumblings over at Tuscarora School District about how James Buchanan was our first and only gay president coupled with the fact that his incompetent presidency directly precluded the Civil War.
But I can't believe it when I hear people talking about how history will look kindly on George W. Bush. His policies, his presidency; it's inconceivable that in such a modern time that a president could nearly turn a democracy into a dictatorship. Perhaps that's going a bit far, but I'm not sure the Constitution has been tramples so obviously, justified by a fear of "terror" and a preying on the emotions of a naive public. Wiretaps and bank records? The outing of a CIA agent? How can this be so easily tolerated (and, the worst part, justified by the right-wing media... there, I said it and yes, there is a right-wing media).
I hate politics; but boy do I love politics at the same time. The part that I know the most, that most people forget, is that it's certainly a roller coaster. And I do predict that democrats will have control of both the presidency and congress in 2009; but will it really be better? Do we truly have the freedom of choice if it's between nothing but two, misdirected ideologies? |
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AnonyMouse
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BushMan
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: White House "misled" the public? Say it ain't |
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| AnonyMouse wrote: | | Quote: | WASHINGTON (AP) — Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan blames President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for efforts to mislead the public about the role of White House aides in leaking the identity of a CIA operative.
In an excerpt from his forthcoming book, McClellan recounts the 2003 news conference in which he told reporters that aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were "not involved" in the leak involving operative Valerie Plame.
"There was one problem. It was not true," McClellan writes, according to a brief excerpt released Tuesday. "I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest-ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff and the president himself." |
I am shocked...shocked! I tell you. How can this be?! Who would have ever thought that the President and Vice-President would mislead the American public?!
| Quote: | Much has been made about the fact that outing Plame as a CIA operative was a felony, since knowingly revealing the identity of an intelligence asset is illegal. And much will be made about the fact that McClellan's statement links Bush and Cheney to the cover-up of illegal activities and the obstruction of justice, acts that are themselves felonies.
But it is important to recognize that a bigger issue is at stake. If the president and vice president knowingly participated in a scheme to attack a critic of their administration -- Wilson had revealed that the White House had been informed that arguments Bush and Cheney used for attacking Iraq were ungrounded -- they have committed a distinct sort of offense that the House Judiciary Committee has already determined to be grounds for impeachment. |
But here's the most relevant quote:
| Quote: | | The only question is whether the current Congress is up to the task of holding the 43rd president to account. |
Anybody want to take odds on that? I'm not holding my breath. |
This is what should really shock you................McClellan will do or say anything to sell a book, and count on gullible people such as yourself to buy into his BS. Which, you obviouly have. I feel anyone silly enough to believe this crap should be strung up by their Mouse Ears. 
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Coppy
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Yes, he's clearly lying to sell a book. After all, this administration has a long and ethical history of being truthful, up-front, honest, a forthcoming with the American people. We should all be so lucky to have our phones tapped and mail read by our government.
I have a feeling this guy may be worse that munchkin so I really shouldn't, but I can't really help it sometimes. So welcome BushMan, there's nothing better than someone using their first four posts to attack someone politically <thumbs up> |
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BushMan
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Coppy"]Yes, he's clearly lying to sell a book. After all, this administration has a long and ethical history of being truthful, up-front, honest, a forthcoming with the American people. We should all be so lucky to have our phones tapped and mail read by our government.
I have a feeling this guy may be worse that munchkin so I really shouldn't, but I can't really help it sometimes. So welcome BushMan, there's nothing better than someone using their first four posts to attack someone politically
Worse than munchkin, hell you only wish I was that soft HA HA HA. And the worst part about me is that.........(unlike the many many Libs I've seen here.....................) I actually know what I'm talking about....... And for the record, I only attack stupidity and flawed thinking!
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Coppy
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| BushMan wrote: | | And for the record, I only attack stupidity and flawed thinking! |
Oh, in that case, you're not attacking the Bush administration because......? |
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