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ZiggyStardust
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 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Good Clean Fun or Government Sponsored Prayer? |
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Why hold Christian concerts at the park? We've been talking about how music festivals would be such a great idea in Chambersburg over the summer... so why not pick something more appealing? Blues, jazz, rock, reggae, bluegrass... these are styles that anyone can enjoy and doesn't push a religious agenda. Not to mention the fact that Christian-oriented music just typically isn't very good.
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Because those types of music are the devil's music and if you listen to them you're going to hell. Duh, Coppy.
Let's not forget that for the most part the only rock bands that come through are crappy Christian acts like Skillet, or even worse these hair-straightener "screamo" Christian bands, where the music sounds kind of like Slayer only they're singing about loving Jesus and being pure and stuff. What a crock.
Did you know that apparently there are handbooks out there for parents which list secular bands their kids may listen to, then list bands that sound similar but espouse a "Christian" message? |
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paul_milander
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Coppy
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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That Christian hard core metal is so unbelievably awful... and Skillet. I'd almost think you're joking, but you're right; those are the only local bands I've ever read about in the PO.
I mean, all things aside, the music is bad... and I fail to see the artistic merits of any band that refuses to actually sing about real life, and instead espouses this inspirational, unrealistic crap. I'm totally cool with being into the Christian rock scene, whatever that may be and as oxymoronic as it comes across, but don't shout it from the mountaintops (or public parks) with my tax dollars.
I know I'm starting to out on a limb here and alienating some local people, but could Chambersburg please join the real world for just five minutes and realize that we're not all itching to pray every second of the day... even when being entertained by presumably contemporary rock music. If you scream Rebecca St. James lyrics, it doesn't make it any less Rebecca St. James... it just makes it even more annoying. And I can't think of a single abomination more nauseating than "Christian County" (which I have noticed Mix 95.3 sneaks into it's regular 'best variety' lineup of 7 songs).
All right, I'm gonna go illegally download the new Jars of Clay album, burn it to CD and then stick it in the microwave. |
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cookieclaygirl
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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coppy you're a rebel!!!
and i really reallly really wish something new would come here, instead of the type we're talking about....oh, i dunno .. like blues. or indy. or omg a combo!
maybe the screaming metal bands just couldn't hack it so they turned christian to hit a new market? pr perhaps? hum....
/prays (hehe) that GOOD different tunes and events will come our way.... |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| AnonyMouse wrote: | | .45chel wrote: | | (BTW, your avvie keeps tempting me to call you Danger Mouse, so try not to laugh at me too much if I slip up!) |
No problem. He's the first mouse I thought of to use.
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Hey! Now you're one of the Spy Mice?
Danger Mouse is cooler! 
Actually, I can't knock Spy Mice, my son named his rat Glory Goldenleaf after one the Spy Mice.
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.45chel
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have much hope of getting a good festival around here. I'm thinking I'd rather have nothing at all than have tax dollars misspent.
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ZiggyStardust
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cookieclaygirl wrote: | coppy you're a rebel!!!
maybe the screaming metal bands just couldn't hack it so they turned christian to hit a new market? pr perhaps? hum....
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You pretty much hit the nail on the head here.
You know after the show the guys in these bands are hitting on underage girls trying to get them to come back to their bus/van for some brewskies or other contraband.
I keed, I keed (sorta). But seriously, I have Christian friends who agree the majority of Christian "artists" are God-awful (pun intended). You'd think that if you're singing for your lord and saviour or whatever you'd strive push your music to new artistic heights, but it's just not so. There are a couple of mentionable bands who are affiliated with the whole Christian thing; a band called mewithoutYou from Philadelphia is one that comes to mind. Neutral Milk Hotel was a band from the 90s who were also quite good. Apparently Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins is a devout Christian, as is Gordon Gano of the Violent Femmes (you know, "When I'm-a-walkin I strut my stuff, etc. etc.") |
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sassy moose
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ZiggyStardust wrote: | | I keed, I keed (sorta). But seriously, I have Christian friends who agree the majority of Christian "artists" are God-awful (pun intended). |
I was all into the Christian rock thing...when I was 12. Now, not so much. There are a few who are decent, but I wouldn't classify them as "rock." |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| ZiggyStardust wrote: | | Neutral Milk Hotel was a band from the 90s who were also quite good. |
I was really into NMH for a while, mostly because I thought it was cool to like music that was completely weird and off the beaten path. Of course, that IS cool, but I wouldn't call them Christian... all because God may be mentioned in lyrics doesn't mean its all "Jesus I Love You!!!" over and over. Remember, I mentioned the lack of realism and emotion in Christian rock as its biggest problem.
Billy Corgan may be devout, but despite all his rage, he's still just a rat in a cage.... makes me want to pray right here and now. By the way, you ever wonder what would happen if that guy from Smashing Pumpkins lost his keys?
The artist who pops first and foremost in my mind is actually Sufjan Stevens, a brilliant singer/songwriter who is embarking on a tongue-in-cheek mission to create an album showcasing all 50 states. Illinois was a masterpiece. His lyrics are full of references to faith and Christianity, but it isn't at all preachy or pretentious, like contemporary Christian music is. In fact, his music is decidedly real and full of emotion, which is the antithesis of what Christian music is to me.
So yeah, we can talk about the religious undertones in Violent Femmes lyrics like "body and beats I stain my sheets," or we can agree that this Christian music is lousy and that my tax money shouldn't go toward a musical concert that's really nothing but a public prayer service. |
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cookieclaygirl
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ZiggyStardust wrote: |
You know after the show the guys in these bands are hitting on underage girls trying to get them to come back to their bus/van for some brewskies or other contraband. |
hum....."missionary" work?????
(hahahahahaha...ok. i may go to h#ll for that one....meh. worth it) |
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cookieclaygirl
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| (p.s. ROFLMAO on the billy corgan 'where are my car keys" song HAHAHA) |
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anonymous_coward
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | | ZiggyStardust wrote: | | Neutral Milk Hotel was a band from the 90s who were also quite good. |
I was really into NMH for a while, mostly because I thought it was cool to like music that was completely weird and off the beaten path. Of course, that IS cool, but I wouldn't call them Christian... all because God may be mentioned in lyrics doesn't mean its all "Jesus I Love You!!!" over and over. Remember, I mentioned the lack of realism and emotion in Christian rock as its biggest problem.
Billy Corgan may be devout, but despite all his rage, he's still just a rat in a cage.... makes me want to pray right here and now. By the way, you ever wonder what would happen if that guy from Smashing Pumpkins lost his keys?
The artist who pops first and foremost in my mind is actually Sufjan Stevens, a brilliant singer/songwriter who is embarking on a tongue-in-cheek mission to create an album showcasing all 50 states. Illinois was a masterpiece. His lyrics are full of references to faith and Christianity, but it isn't at all preachy or pretentious, like contemporary Christian music is. In fact, his music is decidedly real and full of emotion, which is the antithesis of what Christian music is to me.
So yeah, we can talk about the religious undertones in Violent Femmes lyrics like "body and beats I stain my sheets," or we can agree that this Christian music is lousy and that my tax money shouldn't go toward a musical concert that's really nothing but a public prayer service. |
i didn't take neutral milk hotel as a Christian band either, though the singer is legitimately crazy and wanders around in the wilderness.
(edited to add, all i can think of is "semen stains the mountaintops" and how that must have been a Bible verse I missed)
I'll buy the Sufjan thing (I love the Christmas 5 disc set)
anyway, mentioning God in lyrics doesn't make a band Christian. Take the Thermals for instance, it would be possible for some people around here to listen to their album from last year and think it's Christian, when it's not really. I was just listening to cloud cult this past weekend, and noticed some Christian imagery, but again, it's used to illustrate a scene, not because they are necessarily trying to advance a Christian agenda. |
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ZiggyStardust
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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ah yea, I forgot about good ol' Sufjan. Probably because I got tired of all the hype after awhile and stopped paying attention. I can't listen to a lot of his stuff cuz it's so looong and drawn out. I do have Illinois and Michigan though. Pretty good stuff.
Back to the point...I agree Coppy, the govt. shouldn't be sponsoring religious concerts...especially lame Christian rock ones (if they were to do so anyway). |
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cookieclaygirl
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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ah sufjan...one of my favs.
i think that it is odd to have the gov't sponsor religious concerts. i guess that 'no one' listens to the 'rest of us' who want different musical venues brought to this area. god forbid we expand our horizons. |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| cookieclaygirl wrote: | | god forbid we expand our horizons. |
More Devil talk from Cookie...schedule that girl an exorcism!!!
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