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Me!!!!!!!! · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 306

AMEN DAVE!!!!! Very Happy

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3093 Location: Chambersburg

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Coppy · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2663 Location: Chambersburg

Canada's immigration policy is loosely regulated and barely enforced, if ever. There are a lot of foreigners, especially in large cities like Toronto and Vancouver, yet they aren't flipping out over illegal immigrants.

armed_citizen · Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 234 Location: Chambersburg, PA

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.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3093 Location: Chambersburg

armed_citizen · Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 234 Location: Chambersburg, PA

me · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 119

Anon Coward wrote..............."if not what makes you right about the immigrants coming in today. and if you answer you're only against it because it's illegal, i have another question for you. why not allow all immigration to be legal? what reasons can you come up for why that's a bad idea that aren't racist or xenophobic?"

This has NOTHING to do with IMMIGRATION. IMMIGRANTS are people that come to this country LEGALLY. The problem is ILLEGAL ALIENS and the BILLIONS they cost our economy and the benefits that are afforded to them that are not even afforded to our own citizens.

.45chel, I am also disgusted with Bush and his Admin for there stance on this very issue and others. Yes, I voted for him in for a second term, but what else did we have as an option, the I-net, Whale watching, Global Warming problem solving Gore? YEA RIGHT!!!!

The govt, from local right to Penn Ave must tackle this problem head on or this country will be destroyed.

me · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 119

.45chel,

I am not sure how we solve the ILLGEAL ALIEN problem in this country.

But I do know we need to make border security an absolute priority with the forces needed to do the job, period.

Next, we need to look at ALL employers that use ILLEGALS and enact extremely stiff penalties, no pleas, no deals, no nothing. Plain and simple, ya violate the law, ya pay the piper. In addition to the company, we need to go after the managers, execs, etc personally that allowed it to happen.

It's time to end the ILLEGAL ALIEN problem now, once and for all !!

anonymous_coward · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 577

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3093 Location: Chambersburg

armed_citizen,

I do so enjoy your thoughtful points. Smile

me,

I believe, as you do, that employers are the number one problem. They are far too eager to take advantage of the situation and pay these poor schmucks peanuts, then report them if they 'cause a stink and find another illegal to take the job.

One thing that the average American is missing is that these people are coming here to provide for their families...to provide a better life. No job in Mexico (politicians and education aside) pays as much as unskilled labor in the States pays. I think if we consider our own families, we'll realize that no amount of crap is too much to put up with, as long as we know that our families will, ultimately, be taken care of. I can understand the inspiration, even if I don't agree with the methods.

Speaking of methods, I have to sympathize with some of the politicians these days...Perfect example: the New Jersey govenor who wants illegals have driver's licenses.(BTW they aren't able to open bank accounts or apply for Social Security with these, they just act as i.d.s) They are going to drive anyway, there are numerous instances of hit and runs because of fake information being given and so citizens and insurance companies are up in arms. What are you going to do? If cops show up at the accident, the illegals take off.(Even if they weren't at fault, they aren't going to take the risk of being caught and deported, possibly missing out on blanket amnesty!) How do you help ensure your constiutents get compensated?

I'm not at all happy with the idea of amnesty not just because it is illegal, anonymous_coward, but because it cheapens the sacrifices of those who made the effort to come here legally. Those individuals who waited their turn, paid their dues and did everything right and now along comes someone who broke the law and the goober we call president says, "Welcome!"
I teach my son to follow the law, if the law is wrong then work to change it and work hard and you'll get what you need and, hopefully, what you want, too. What message are we sending with amnesty? "Flood into our country and wait; eventually, you'll get to stay"? Not only are we sending mixed messages to immigrants, but our own citizens, as well.

I know I've bounced around some, thank you for tolerating my derailed thought train Wink

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.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3093 Location: Chambersburg

anonymous_coward · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 577

so if i proposed a bill tomorrow that any hispanic born who could prove they had a job waiting for them in this country could immigrate LEGALLY what would be the problem?

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3093 Location: Chambersburg