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Coppy
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 Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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And I'd also like to follow by saying, and I do address this to you BushMan, that this is how I think most of us feel... not to speak for anyone not present, but I think you'd find that we're all pretty moderate and don't go around blaming what we believe is wrong with our country on a singular group like "conservatives."
We're very much open to intelligent discussion, but reading some of your posts has kind of made me feel a little nauseous. I'd love to discuss politics with someone who sees things differently, but I've found extremely difficult with folks like you.
So take what we say with a grain of salt; because what chel is trying to say is that we're all Americans and politics don't need to be so mean spirited. |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| .45chel wrote: | I want credibility points!! How do I get some of those?  |
I think you just got some chel  |
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BushMan
Joined: 03 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | So you really don't think any of us have the right to be disenfranchised with the Bush administration? I understand the polarity of politics, but you're calling us all "whack jobs" for going off on Bush (most of which is in pretty good humor I think). Just look at his approval ratings; you're in a small boat.
Look, we're having a discussion and as you can see, we're more than willing to discuss these things with you. But coming in here and calling us all whack jobs isn't really a great way to introduce yourself. So get your kicks and blow off your steam, because being a jerk isn't going to win you any credibility points. |
You've been hanging around Je$$ie Jack$on to much! What I believe is that most people who still believe this is America and is worth fighting for, WILL! Those who don't can only throw snippets of truth they gleen from Liberal News Organizations. Have I explained that plain enough! And from the posts I've seen you put up, I doubt very seriously you really want to have a real discussion about politics. What you really want is someone who will agree with every inane political thought that you process.
Taking a Liberal stance doesn't make you or anyone else a bad person, just wrong!
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anonymous_coward
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| BushMan wrote: | | Coppy wrote: | So you really don't think any of us have the right to be disenfranchised with the Bush administration? I understand the polarity of politics, but you're calling us all "whack jobs" for going off on Bush (most of which is in pretty good humor I think). Just look at his approval ratings; you're in a small boat.
Look, we're having a discussion and as you can see, we're more than willing to discuss these things with you. But coming in here and calling us all whack jobs isn't really a great way to introduce yourself. So get your kicks and blow off your steam, because being a jerk isn't going to win you any credibility points. |
You've been hanging around Je$$ie Jack$on to much! What I believe is that most people who still believe this is America and is worth fighting for, WILL! Those who don't can only throw snippets of truth they gleen from Liberal News Organizations. Have I explained that plain enough! And from the posts I've seen you put up, I doubt very seriously you really want to have a real discussion about politics. What you really want is someone who will agree with every inane political thought that you process.
Taking a Liberal stance doesn't make you or anyone else a bad person, just wrong! |
if there is any issue you want to debate let me know, if you're just going to attack people as being liberal like it's a bad word, i'm not going to waste my time. |
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BushMan
Joined: 03 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| anonymous_coward wrote: | | BushMan wrote: | | Coppy wrote: | So you really don't think any of us have the right to be disenfranchised with the Bush administration? I understand the polarity of politics, but you're calling us all "whack jobs" for going off on Bush (most of which is in pretty good humor I think). Just look at his approval ratings; you're in a small boat.
Look, we're having a discussion and as you can see, we're more than willing to discuss these things with you. But coming in here and calling us all whack jobs isn't really a great way to introduce yourself. So get your kicks and blow off your steam, because being a jerk isn't going to win you any credibility points. |
You've been hanging around Je$$ie Jack$on to much! What I believe is that most people who still believe this is America and is worth fighting for, WILL! Those who don't can only throw snippets of truth they gleen from Liberal News Organizations. Have I explained that plain enough! And from the posts I've seen you put up, I doubt very seriously you really want to have a real discussion about politics. What you really want is someone who will agree with every inane political thought that you process.
Taking a Liberal stance doesn't make you or anyone else a bad person, just wrong! |
if there is any issue you want to debate let me know, if you're just going to attack people as being liberal like it's a bad word, i'm not going to waste my time. |
You already have, in your words "wasted your time". I would more than happy to debate you about anything, ANYTHING, ANYTIME
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anonymous_coward
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| Care to start by telling me why we invaded Iraq and how it was worth the loss in Iraqi and American lives, and the monetary cost to taxpayers? I maintain it was not worth any of those three costs individually, let alone aggregately. |
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BushMan
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| anonymous_coward wrote: | | Care to start by telling me why we invaded Iraq and how it was worth the loss in Iraqi and American lives, and the monetary cost to taxpayers? I maintain it was not worth any of those three costs individually, let alone aggregately. |
That's right I forgot, you still don't understand Freedom. How about the millions that were set free from oppression? Or should we have taken the Clinton stance, just a lot of tough talk? How about the fact there really were weapons of Mass Destruction and the reports were pushed under the rug by the Liberal News Agencies? How about the proven fact that Hussien (Not the Obama one) helped train Suicide Terrorists and supplied them with weapons and a safe haven to hide? Want me to keep going?
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armed_citizen
Joined: 27 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| anonymous_coward wrote: | | I maintain it was not worth any of those three costs individually, let alone aggregately. |
How do you personally decide if these costs are reasonable? Do you have a chart? Is one US military death per 1,000,000 liberated acceptable, but 1:1,000 is not? What percentage of the tax you pay would you be willing to allocate towards removing dictators and establishing democracy?
I'm not saying that I blindly follow along behind Bush on Iraq (because I DON'T), but I'm curious how you make your own determinations.
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anonymous_coward
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| I get to that point because I don't think there was any good out of invading Iraq. We destabilized the region, made Iran stronger, created terrorists for the next generation, Killed thousands of Iraqi civilians. So since there was really nothing good to come out of Iraq, it couldn't have been worth the cost. I get what you're saying though, because in a war that should have been waged, ie, WWII, it's hard to make the case on what number of deaths is acceptable. |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Yay!! Citizen has chosen to grace us with his presence again!!
Hai Citizen!!
MISSED YOU
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anonymous_coward
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| BushMan wrote: | | anonymous_coward wrote: | | Care to start by telling me why we invaded Iraq and how it was worth the loss in Iraqi and American lives, and the monetary cost to taxpayers? I maintain it was not worth any of those three costs individually, let alone aggregately. |
That's right I forgot, you still don't understand Freedom. How about the millions that were set free from oppression? Or should we have taken the Clinton stance, just a lot of tough talk? How about the fact there really were weapons of Mass Destruction and the reports were pushed under the rug by the Liberal News Agencies? How about the proven fact that Hussien (Not the Obama one) helped train Suicide Terrorists and supplied them with weapons and a safe haven to hide? Want me to keep going? |
I'm not sure if I want you to keep going or not, since only one of those is technically true: millions set free. But the Iraqis were set free into a country that became a terrorist haven, war zone where they and their children are in more danger than under Saddam. Many Iraqis wish we hadn't invaded, and not just the Ba'aths |
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armed_citizen
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| anonymous_coward wrote: | | I get to that point because I don't think there was any good out of invading Iraq. |
So then in the case of Iraq, even one penny spent and one life lost was too great a cost?
| .45chel wrote: | Yay!! Citizen has chosen to grace us with his presence again!!
Hai Citizen!!
MISSED YOU
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I've been around, but pretty busy! Ya' know how to find me if you're really concerned.
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.45chel
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| armed_citizen wrote: | | Ya' know how to find me if you're really concerned. |
Well, yah, but I wouldn't bother you just to say, "Um, Hey. What's up?" I'm not that much of a pest!! 
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anonymous_coward
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| armed_citizen wrote: | | anonymous_coward wrote: | | I get to that point because I don't think there was any good out of invading Iraq. |
So then in the case of Iraq, even one penny spent and one life lost was too great a cost?
| .45chel wrote: | Yay!! Citizen has chosen to grace us with his presence again!!
Hai Citizen!!
MISSED YOU
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I've been around, but pretty busy! Ya' know how to find me if you're really concerned. |
yes, I still believe Iraq was a lose - lose, as bad as Saddam was, we replaced an ineffectual tyrant with warlords and terrorist groups |
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armed_citizen
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| anonymous_coward wrote: |
yes, I still believe Iraq was a lose - lose, as bad as Saddam was, we replaced an ineffectual tyrant with warlords and terrorist groups |
I have a slightly different perspective. I believe that all three of these threats existed before we went into Iraq. Warlords and terrorists now get more of the attention, because Saddam is out of the picture.
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