The Public Opinion Soapbox

R.D.W. · Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Posts: 17 Location: C-Burg

When I entered the military service in 1984, I swore an oath to Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies foreign AND domestic. I still hold that oath to this day and I can tell you there are too many 'professional politicians' that have come pretty d&^% close to hopping on the enemies list. You know their names. Those that toy with our protected freedoms and valued rights. Know this, people of the United States, those Rights and Freedoms come with a Duty and Responsibility. The average American does NOTHING in the way of duty and responsibility. This is apparent by simply reading the daily paper. Think about it. Where do you stand?

An enemy of the Constitution is any entity that attempts to detract any freedom, right or value from the American People via an enacted Law or Act. We can ammend it, but not detract from it. That must never happen. Even in the slightest bit. (Don't give the mouse a cookie!)
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Coppy · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2663 Location: Chambersburg

Here, here! I couldn't agree more.

The Constitution is a sacred document in my opinion and the amount of leeway given to the Executive branch to stomp on that document in recent years is frightening. Perhaps even more frightening is how tolerant people are of it.

In my opinion, there is absolutely NO situation where my Constitutional rights can ever be legally suspended regardless of the threat.

In an oft-paraphrased quote by Benjamin Franklin, he said:

"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."

Pink Elephant in the Room · Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 162 Location: in the corner

armed_citizen · Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 234 Location: Chambersburg, PA

Torgo · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject:

Knowing the enemy's identity is the first step.

You 20 percenters on Topix, I'm looking in your direction.
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keekl · Joined: 09 Sep 2008 Posts: 150

Did my bit in the USMC some years past~frankly I will uphold and defend my family and neighbors, 'bout as far as it goes..

Coppy · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2663 Location: Chambersburg

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3093 Location: Chambersburg

I feel stupid. I didn't know what a 20 percenter was, so I googled it.

While we're speaking of those individuals, let us also discuss those that are, at this point, still truly undecided.

Now, I know many intelligent people who are leaning one way or another, just won't make a verbal commitment...I don't really consider them undecided.
They have a pretty good idea who they will be voting for, save for some completely unforgivable gaffe by their current choice.

My concern has more to do with the people who swear they are completely neutral, have no opinion one way or the other on either candidate... can I call shenanigans?

Srsly, how do you remain undecided this late in the game?

R.D.W. · Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Posts: 17 Location: C-Burg

To respond to multiple replies:

- Torgo, I know who ALL the enemies are and I have MY eye on THEM. (None of them are in office, thank God. Those in office are the slaves of our enemies.) Sub-note: 'The master does not approve" Query: Who is 'the master"? I am the master of my own destiny and I decide it's course. Only nature can interfere. All my life choices have been mine and mine alone. No one makes a decision for me, and in EVERY situation in life, there IS a choice.

- Coppy, there is no such thing a 'reasonable restriction'. Sorry. In my world view I have eliminated ALL gray areas. Something is either right or wrong, black or white (No connotations), up or down, left or right. When you allow gray areas, you are allowing your morals to be weakened by rationalization. (Anything can be rationalized into a justice.)

- .45chel, I had no intention of this post being political in nature. I make it a practice to NOT discuss politics with anyone at any time. History: I feel that we are not as 'united' as we like to profess. All our states are clearly divided in all manners, our political system is a 'two party' system (side vs side = conflict) Our country was founded on an ideal that has been skewed over time, mainly by lawyers. (I know the ire this will incur. Lawyers, in today's society have one sole purpose: to find the gray areas and make money and/or notoriety for themselves or both. ((Please refer to my comment to Coppy.)) Our legal system, thanks to lawyers, has been bogged down to the point of being useless.) The purpose for a lawyer is NOT to interpret the law, but to assist the common man/woman in the understanding of it and the average citizen's place in it. I digress. The soap box can be very seductive. My apologies.
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R.D.W. · Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Posts: 17 Location: C-Burg

keekl - Home is where the heart is. You have the right of it, but that is only where it starts. When the time comes, and it IS comming, you will most likely be one of us few that will help to reshape this 'landscape' of this country. The constitution is a document that holds the same views, that you 'frankly' shared, and applies it to our country as a whole. We, the United States, have lost our way and the world sees it. We the people must regain that which we have allowed to be taken from us and restore this nation! As one, for all, with liberty and justice.
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keekl · Joined: 09 Sep 2008 Posts: 150

Coppy · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2663 Location: Chambersburg

Just to clarify, I don't believe any restrictions, no matter how "reasonable" should ever be placed on our constitutional rights.

However, to say everything is "black and white" in this world strikes me as incredibly short-sighted. There are so many gray areas, our founding fathers had the foresight to create a supreme court to help interpret the constitution on those cases that weren't clearly black or white when it came to our constitutional rights. I bet they never thought we'd still need that sort of grand decision making today... but we do. That's why it's so important for any supreme court justice to not have an agenda. At the end of the day, there really is only one answer when it comes to interpreting the constitution... but often that answer is difficult to find.

Just look at abortion... is it unconstitutional? According to the supreme court, it is not. But according to this country's moral crusaders, it is. So what's right... someone's individual morals, or the constitution? Based on your own logic RDW, then it is always the constitution, and as far as I'm concerned, the supreme court and their decisions are merely an extension of that.

As for the rest of life, it's nothing but gray areas. Morals and ethics themselves are perhaps the most gray of gray areas there are.

R.D.W. · Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Posts: 17 Location: C-Burg

Coppy- My apologies. I mistakenly wrote your handle in my notes vice armed-citizen. It was armed-citizen's reply I was addressing. However, you have raise a couple of great discussion topics. I will start a new thread and hope to 'see' you there.
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cookieclaygirl · Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 2289 Location: shippensburg