The Public Opinion Soapbox

me · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 119

Well Coppy it's not all about me, never has and never will. That's just the name I picked awhile back. I was thinking and thinking and ME was plain and simple, it's me!!!

My party affiliation is none of anyones business, but I can say that I do NOT, NEVER have and NEVER will vote soley based on party affiliation.

I listen to the candidates, do some research and then vote based off that.

There are turds on both sides of the aisle and in my hoest opinion, neither side has done us justice.

Now call me what ya want, but my views are we must believe and trust our govt till they give us reason not to. We must all be responsible for ourselves and not be reliant on others to take care of our problems (welfare and foreign aid are two major problems I see).

Ooops, got a meeting to go to, more to follow !!

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 2859 Location: Chambersburg

me · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 119

.45chel WOW WOW,

Knock 'er down a gear and didn't mean to get ya all riled up, sorry for that !! I definatelt am not of the flame thrower category, but I am a realist and a firm believer of being VERY frank and up front, which tends to upset some, oh well !!!!

Now you will get no argument that many of our elected folks have forgotten our soldiers, our vets and even what this country was founded on.

I also have no problem with Welfare for those that TRUELY need it. It has however become, let's just say, some's chosen profession rather than trying to better or help themselves!

So if my in your face (not yours), open and frank attititude and positio makes me a flame thrower, so be it!!

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 2859 Location: Chambersburg

No, me,

An in your face, open and frank attitude does not make you a flame thrower.

Realism I can deal with Wink

Admittedly, I was mildly irritated. I thought I had been misunderstood/ or was being mischaracterized as someone trying to pigeon-hole you. That's not my thing.

Wasn't riled though...I take medicine for that, now! Laughing

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John · Joined: 02 Nov 2007 Posts: 4 Location: Waynesboro

To gain some insight the thinking of the neo-cons that now or were in position of power in the Bush administration you should go to this website forProject for the New American Century and read several position papers regarding Iraq.

One particular paper of note is a letter to Newt Gingrich and Lotton Iraq in 1998, note those that signed it. This was preordained before Bush was even the GOP's candidate.

Not only is it a grab for oil I do believe it is also a grab for power. I am amazed that those who call me un-American are the first to support the total disregard for the US Constitution, which in my book is far more unpatriotic and an act of treason than disagreeing with this administration's conduct and strategic planning of the "War On Terror"

This website was posted some time ago on the PO's haloscan forums can't remember who but do want to thank them for pointing me to this site and the insight obtained to this admin's mind set.
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Dave · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 162

It seems that this administration has assumed a lot more power than it really has. Their attempts at taking over Justice is just an example. The outing of Valerie Plame was treason. The pardon of Scooter Libby was obstructrion of justice.

The list goes on. Then there is the hiding of the majority of the CDC's report on disease & global warming from Congress under executive priveledge.

We need to stop whatever Congress is doing & straighten this out NOW.

Coppy · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2413 Location: Chambersburg

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 2859 Location: Chambersburg

I'm not greedy. I'll take three of those lower six selections.
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Coppy · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2413 Location: Chambersburg

Did you know that · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 18

For some reason, the PO didn't take my last post I just thought I wouldjump in here as the voice of conservatives.

I think it is entirely possible that the late Saddam Hussein did have WMD and that he exported them in a hurry when he knew we were coming. It's possible that they are still there and have yet to be discovered in the vast sand lands.

I also think GWB started this with good intentions. He just didn't figure out how to get us out. I think intelligence was scued to fit the situation, but didn't count on not finding anything.

It is much better to fight over there and not here. We are trying desperataly to get a democracy set up over thee, right in the middle of the muslim world. Right now, the terrorist are too busy trying to stop democracy overthere that they have slacked at keeping their eyes on us over here. But with the tide possibly turning, they may refocus soon.

I was reading a few weeks ago about possible terrorist plots against our nations schools. The children would be the primary targets, followed by the parents and emergency personnel responding to the horrid scenes.

This theory is further backed in that there are 60 buses missing from Texas. Also, two muslim men "mistakenly" boarded a school bus in Florida and got a ride right to the school. Finally, troops found schematics of american school and video of a mock school raid. I think the stuff was fond in either Afghanistan or Iraq.

There coming, it's just a matter of when.

As far as stopping oil, I agree that we will never stop using oil until it dries up. Too many people have their hands in that money jar. Even so, if we switch to ethanol, it would just be a supply and demand issue, and soon the price of ethanol would be unbearable.

It's too bad though, it does seem like an easy way to destroy these rogue nations such as N Korea, Iran, Syria, etc.

Coppy · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2413 Location: Chambersburg

Did you know that · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 18

While I'll agree that they may not be fighting against democracy in their land, I think that no matter what they are fighting for or against, it is keeping them busy...away from here.

I also have to disagree about attacking a school. Playing devil's advocate of course, I think it would be a highly productive attack. How better to instill absolute terror into our country than to slaughter 1000's of helpless, innocent elementry boys and girls around the country. Parents would stop going to work so that they can stay home with their kids, causing businesses to find a way to manage in the interim. I think it would shut alot of this country down for a bit, and the psychological damage would spread across generations.

This of course would spread worldwide outrage when we start striking out against Muslim people. As a result, war would ensue and the radical Muslims would have fulfilled their dream of having a Holy War against the Great Satans of the world.

Of course, my opinion as a conservative, I don't think some of these points are meritless or are agendas to form the masses. I do think that we are not as safe as we used to believe. America is able to be punctured, wounded, and even destroyed. We have to keep an open mind to these seemingly unrelated things such as the school bus theft, the accidental boarding, and the school maps. Separately, they seem like nothing, but we have to start puting the pieces together. Think about it....if you really didn't care about getting killed or caught or whatever, how hard would it be for you to walk into any school today and create all kinds of terror? And that's without any planning. And that's just one example. There are many things these guys can do to terrorize us.

It's not that I think that the left doesn't have the best intentions for their country or that they even have bad ideas. I just believe freedom is fragile, and if we are careless with it and how we let it lead our lives, that very freedom that we love and cherish, may turn on us and be our enemies best friends.

Coppy · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2413 Location: Chambersburg

The world is a scary place, that's for sure. It always has been. I do think we're less safe today, and I believe it's because of our actions in Iraq. Take what you will from that statement, but I believe it strongly. Terrorism didn't exist in Iraq before we invaded that country. Now it's a rallying point.

What I do not believe, for even one second, is that if we leave Iraq they will "follow us home" or that we, as a nation, will be less safe than we are right now. Us being in Iraq isn't keeping the terrorists "at bay." In Iraq, the insurgency is based solely on territory and religion.

I also feel strongly that if we bring our men and women home, we can strengthen our own borders. We can go back to making America great, instead of being the world police. Yes, it's a scary world and I realize that people can't live with the idea of not being proactive as the "greatest country ever." But the truth is, we have problems here. We have schools that are falling apart, entire cities flooding, and the entire state of California was on fire the last time I checked. People are up in arms over border security and illegal immigration, yet balk of the idea of actually using our national guard to guard our borders, instead of going for a third or even fourth tour of duty in Iraq.

We've lost sight of our objectives on this "war on terror" which I frankly believe is such a ridiculous thing. Terror isn't a person, and terrorists cannot be defined except that the word itself instills an emotional response out of otherwise good-natured Americans who are concerned for their safety and the safety of their family. Its so sad our politicians have used that fear for their own political gain. I place that blame squarely on the Republican party.

So no, I will never, ever consider admitting that any action our nation has taken in the middle east under this administration was responsible, reasonable or even justifiable (except in Afghanistan). We were lied to, and I can't believe more people aren't upset about it. Forget parties and ideologies; its a sad day when people don't care if their politicians are crooks, and liars and and trampling on our Constitutional rights.