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Bobo · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 173 Location: Chambersburg

Coppy, the answer to your question is that the Evangelicals (and other so-called christians) will never vote for a Democrat - NEVER. I truly don't think someone not believing in evolution is a negative for these people. In fact, it's probably a plus.

As for Huckabee, please read on from this AP story from 12/08:

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Mike Huckabee once advocated isolating AIDS patients from the general public, opposed increased federal funding in the search for a cure and said homosexuality could "pose a dangerous public health risk."

As a candidate for a U.S. Senate seat in 1992, Huckabee answered 229 questions submitted to him by The Associated Press. Besides a quarantine, Huckabee suggested that Hollywood celebrities fund AIDS research from their own pockets, rather than federal health agencies.

HOWEVER, the article went on to state ... When Huckabee wrote his answers in 1992, it was common knowledge that AIDS could not be spread by casual contact. In late 1991, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said there were 195,718 AIDS patients in the country and that 126,159 people had died from the syndrome.

FURTHER, another paragraph from the article: Also in the wide-ranging AP questionnaire in 1992, Huckabee said, "I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."

AND FINALLY ... A Southern Baptist preacher, Huckabee has been a favorite among social conservatives for his vocal opposition to gay marriage. In 2003, Huckabee said that the U.S. Supreme Court was probably right to strike down anti-sodomy laws, but that states still should be able to restrict things such as gay marriage or domestic partner benefits.

If this guy gets elected, or Romney, seriously, I'm moving to Canada.
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.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3064 Location: Chambersburg

Yeah, Huckabee's stance on HIV & AIDS is pretty...SAD, UGLY, DISTASTEFUL...Unfortunate.

I found Senator Bill Frist's comments even worse considering the medical background he likes to cram down your throat ("I'm a doctor!")

He said (on television, no less) that you could get AIDS from sweat, saliva (it would take over a gallon before traces of the virus are even...oh forget it. >gag<) and toilet seats. Uh, WHAT?! Confused

And, yes, Bobo you are absolutely right. There are some evangelicals that will never vote for a Dem. It's not just evangelicals though.

Don't forget Huckabee's belief that a wife should submit graciously to serving her husband...heh.

Yeah, there women out there that believe that too, but the ones that don't are more fun!
Wink

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AnonyMouse · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 527

I remember all the Hollywood types saying that they would move to Canada is Bush was re-elected. Did any of them actually do that?

It often feels like things can't get any worse in the way this country is run, but then I read about Guiliani and all his shady dealings, secrecy, coverups, and sleazy associates and I realize that a Guiliani administration would be exponentially worse than what we have. I think that if any of the other Repubs get elected, it will be more of the same, but Guiliani would really wreck things.

Oh, and 'chel, I love the new signature line!

Jo · Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 114 Location: Chambersburg

Submit graciously, ouch. What a concept! What is this the Dark Ages? C'mon now. Talk about taking Biblical doctrine out of context.

Fact is, I don't see anyone I want in charge yet. Honestly, give me a way out there Steve Forbes or Ross Perot to at least think about! Hell, I'd even go for Oscar the Grouch at this point!
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.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3064 Location: Chambersburg

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3064 Location: Chambersburg

Bobo · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 173 Location: Chambersburg

Chel wrote: On a slightly more serious note, out of the current candidates I know who I'm leaning toward at the moment, but I can't help but wish *she* would have some real competition.

Yippee Chel!!! I'm liking you more each day. Wink

For myself, I'm more than leaning that way. I just hope the general societal misogyny (ala Cheryl Stearn) doesn't make her unelectable. I'm not terribly optimistic. Our society, sadly, seems less enlightened that a lot of the rest of the world.

I feel I know you, Chel. Your initials aren't SB are they?
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The sun, the moon and the stars would have disappeared long ago... had they happened to be within the reach of predatory human hands. ~Havelock Ellis, The Dance of Life, 1923

AnonyMouse · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 527

Here's something to think about for all the Hillary fans out there.

Bobo · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 173 Location: Chambersburg

Mouse, I think that very well may be true. But to that I would say, all of you Democrats and others, including Republicans, who don't want a religious state and a continuing erosion of personal freedoms: If you allow the Right to hijack the election because some have an irrational hatred of Hilary Clinton, you deserve what you get.

Unfortunately, the rest of us will have to live with it too.
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The sun, the moon and the stars would have disappeared long ago... had they happened to be within the reach of predatory human hands. ~Havelock Ellis, The Dance of Life, 1923

.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3064 Location: Chambersburg

Jo · Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 114 Location: Chambersburg

Wow! What a list!

Chel, that is quite an impressive roster of requirements. Politicans couldn't get all that done if the President, House and Senate were all from the same party and all getting along.

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but heck, look just seeing the lovely post about the Christmas resolution makes me lose faith in the system. At least, what little faith I had left.

Well thought out post though - have you considered running? Wink

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.45chel · Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 3064 Location: Chambersburg

Bobo · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 173 Location: Chambersburg

Chel could never get elected in the U.S.A., Jo. She's too smart and her positions make too much sense!!!!
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The sun, the moon and the stars would have disappeared long ago... had they happened to be within the reach of predatory human hands. ~Havelock Ellis, The Dance of Life, 1923

cookieclaygirl · Joined: 03 Dec 2007 Posts: 2181 Location: shippensburg

jumping in a bit late, i know, but one thing that's been bothering me, politically speaking, is the 'us them' stance from years of evolution. perhaps the bipartisanship of our country's earlier days were all well and good, but perhaps now this division is hurting us.

i agree with an earlier post. our government could use some serious reform.

one thing that stuck in my head, was a while ago when i saw sicko (please, no liberal jokes--i get the on other forums...i'm just stating my POV) was that the one person in the documentary said that they thought the fundamental difference between their government and america's is that in their country, the government is afraid of the people and in america, the people are afraid of the government.

i think sometimes i feel as though my voice doesn't matter...and i'm sure i'm not alone.

we need reformation. things can't always be set in stone---esp. when the times, they are a-changin'.....

Dave · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 162

I can agree with every point lsted by .chel. I might add a few.

Is Hillary the one?

1) She continues to take money from special interets.
2) Will there be a bipartin effort? Republicans will fight her tooth & nail. Will it be the same crap today but with a Democrat in charge?
3) Her vote on the Iran guard thing was just stupid. She learned nothing from the Iraq war vote.
4) Since 2000, she has drifted toward the right - positioning, positioning, positioning. (a statement about positioning and not her new beliefs)

Don't get me wrong, I would vote Hillary over Rudy, Fred, Mitt, Hucklebee, McCain (did I miss any Republicans?).