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Bobo
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 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Pa. Primary |
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| Quote: | Local college students join in excitement of 'America's Primary'
By JIM HOOK and ROB LUFF Staff writers
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Although many SU students were undecided about whether they will vote in April's Pennsylvania primary, the majority of students said they will vote regardless of the progress of the race. Of the students that were torn, most said they will vote if they feel their actions will make a difference. Several students joked that they will do whatever it takes to vote against Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y. |
As usual, the woman in this race can't buy a friggin' break. Does anyone wonder about all the double standards regarding a female candidate? For those of you who have a mind open enough to consider the reasons behind what's going on, you might want to read this analysis posted on the Women's Media Center web site. It was posted 2/2/08 on The Women’s Media Center website. http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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I'd say that Hillary is doing just fine seeing her big wins last night and it's actually nice to see a race this close. I just hope that Obama and Clinton voters can agree on one or the other come the November elections. It seems as if the upcoming primary in PA may actually matter this year. It could even be decisive.
Obama seems to be getting a lot more support from young, democratic voters than Clinton.
But I agree that this anti-Hillary attitude without any basis is getting old. |
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AnonyMouse
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Texas Governor Rick Perry endorsed Sen. John McCain Thursday, saying the new GOP frontrunner is the best candidate to fight the war on terror.
Perry said McCain is his preference for the GOP nomination for president becuase he is afraid if Hillary Clinton is elected, "the country would go to hell in a handbasket." |
While I think a Hillary administration would be DC politics as usual (which makes me so weary), it would have to be a dramatic improvement over the debacle we have now. |
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cookieclaygirl
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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i think the democratic race should prove to be pretty exciting/interesting this time around....
i'm looking forward to it! (cuz what we have now is not so good...) |
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cookieclaygirl
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| btw, anon, great comic... (forgot to mention that) |
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Torgo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | | But I agree that this anti-Hillary attitude without any basis is getting old. |
Iraq war vote...
Continuation of Clinton-Bush oligarchy...
Sat on the Wal-Mart board for how many years?
There's plenty of basis to be anti-Hillary that has nothing to do with her gender. She has her ups and downs like any of the candidates.
What's worse? Opposing a candidate just because of gender, or supporting one just because of gender? Or race, or looks, any other personal characteristic?
Where's the Hillary hate coming from? Her gender? Her husband? Her policies? It's a moot point. Her nomination will swing millions of moderates to the right. McCain won't even need the RNC's good buddies at Deibold to win.
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cookieclaygirl
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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i'm sticking to my usual:
bipartisanship is dead.
our country's system is in need of an overhaul.
speaks a lot of our society---choosing candidates by looks, race, gender. what a scary world. it's like: who care's about the actual issues.....oh...you mean there's a WAR going on??? what is brittney spears doing today? oh i love paris hiltons new purse! *sigh*..... |
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walrus1
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: not Hillary |
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If it is Hillary vs McCain I vote for McCain, and I am a democrat. At least I respect McCain. I would love to have a woman President, just not this woman.
Also, if Hillary would win, all her promises are worthless. 40% of the country down right hates her, and Republicans will earn points with their home districts by opposing anything she tries. We will have 8 more years of fighting, bickering and investigations. We can't afford that, things need fixed now. It is our responsibility to make sure we don't leave this screwed up mess we've made, by electing politicians instead of leaders, to the next generation. |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Torgo wrote: |
There's plenty of basis to be anti-Hillary that has nothing to do with her gender. She has her ups and downs like any of the candidates.
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This is absolutely right; she's like any other candidate... ups and downs, differing opinions. But the hatred toward her from the opposing party seem unprecedented to me and a lot of things I've heard people say are pretty baseless; she's relatively moderate in her politics in my opinion. I can understand it from pundits and conservative leadership, but some of the things I hear people say about her on a daily basis, with absolutely no rhyme or reason, is sort of beyond me. I don't hear anyone walking around talking about how much of an a-hole Mike Huckabee is. |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Huckabee's an a-hole.
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Torgo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | | But the hatred toward her from the opposing party seem unprecedented to me and a lot of things I've heard people say are pretty baseless.. |
Welcome to big time politics. Remember John Kerry and the Swiftboaters? How about John McCain and the 2004 South Carolina primary? This is what we've become.
A lot of people still hate both Clintons. All the people who hated Bill hate her too. A lot of the people who didn't hate Bill never liked Hillary. She has the notoriety and name recognition, but at what cost? This is the doubled-edged sword her unique background presents.
It's a tough business. She can take it. I wish her supporters would stop being so shrieky. They inadvertently propogate the stereotypes they think her presidency will dispel.
| Coppy wrote: | | she's relatively moderate in her politics in my opinion. |
We disagree. She's a DINO, and as nominee her slide to the right to marginalize McCain or whoever will produce a much more accurate representation of who she truly is as a candidate.
While I like the prospect of a social progressive, Hillary will behave just like any other neo-con when it comes to foreign policy, thanks to all the CFR people calling in their tabs.
That said, any Democrat is better than crazy, old McCain. But Obama is an inspiring and politically inexperienced black man. And Hillary is a tough, smart woman whom nearly half the electorate despises. So I don't have much hope for November...
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cookieclaygirl
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Torgo wrote: |
And Hillary is a tough, smart woman whom nearly half the electorate despises. |
well said....see, god forbid we have a tough, smart woman that could show the pubs how to get out of the probs they created. (lol)...i've always been a fan of hers (and bills) and would like to see her whoop our country into shape.
UNLESS...she gets lame ducked and the typical 'gossipy' media tricks to make her look bad if she is elected (as they are apt to do....re: bill & whitewater). tho, am sure she could handle it. unlike our current bumbling chief....
exhibit a:
"I can press when there needs to be pressed; I can hold hands when there needs to be -- hold hands." --George W. Bush, on how he can contribute to the Middle East peace process, Washington, D.C., Jan. 4, 2008
exhibit b:
"I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration." --Hillary Clinton
Now...i ask you....who sounds more eloquent and suited for the task at hand? hummmm...... |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hillary's voting record is pretty moderate. Compared to, say, Edwards, she's much less liberal than she's painted. While many voters believe that your singular stance on gun control or abortion automatically makes you a liberal, that isn't necessarily true. Frankly, I think that she is the strongest possible candidate in terms of foreign policy, if you're among those who see the current administration's version of it a disaster.
McCain may be a crazy, old man, but he certainly stands up to his party. That's pretty rare in the GOP and a quality that I admire. I don't agree with him on most levels, but I think this country would be served well by a candidate who doesn't pander to his/her party's core ideologies, regardless of aisle. I think McCain and Obama are the two candidates from each side that may represent people more than the represent the Washington system. I worry about Clinton in that regard, and I'm certainly scared to death of the possibility that someone like Huckabee may have some serious political clout in this country.
I worry about Clinton's ability to beat McCain in a general election. |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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McCain used to stand up to his party. Perhaps he still does to a point (I'm thinking immigration, bipartisanship) but he is certainly closer to the party line than he once was.
There were talks yesterday that there may be a McCain/Huckabee ticket...I think I'd prefer a McCain/Romney White House and I'm pretty sure no presidential Republican candidate is getting my vote this year.
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Torgo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | | I worry about Clinton's ability to beat McCain in a general election. |
I worry about her ability to beat any Republican in the general election.
She is another divider, not a leader. The sad schism that has been growing in this nation for the past 30 years (and greatly intensified in the last eight) will only continue. Perhaps no one can reverse it at this point, but certain candidates will certainly make it worse.
McCain is not the rogue everyone makes him out to be. He will fall into step sooner or later. And Hillary represents corporations, the Washington establishment, and the one-worlder groups like Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission. Both are all for strategic resource acquisition in the Middle East instead of new energy technologies.
I honestly don't know what I will do if I have to choose between Hillary and McCain, maybe write in my cat. Obama may be the only candidate who hasn't been around long enough to be corrupted by the system, but I also think it's moot since the Clintons will easily destroy him.
Hillary won't be the only candidate to cry in this election, but in Obama's case I think those tears will turn out to be real.
Sigh.
I'm ranting. Time for a drink...
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