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Torgo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bobo wrote:
My politics differ from McCain's, but I always respected him. Until recently, that is. Did anyone see the excerpt from the article on Hillary Clinton? He apparently answered the question someone asked, "How do we beat the ***?" with “Excellent question!”

Nice.


If he had chastised the questioner it would just make him look weak to those he most desperately needs to win.

That's assuming it was calculated. My biggest problem with McCain is his tendency to shoot from the hip. He's not equipped for it. He comes off like a drunk uncle who talks without paying attention or responding to what others are saying. (Like many, many of the Topix posters...)

Add to that a serious temper problem, and he looks, well, crazy. His tin ear will not serve him well in foreign circles, sorta like, well, you know who...

As for Hillary, I'll say it again. She is tougher than even her supporters seem to realize. You think she cares about being called such an epithet? She has likely taken and delivered far worse in her own household. This level of politics is bloodsport, and she loves it more than most.

And anyway, it's going to get worse because the RNC will want to generate as much sympathy for her as possible, so millions of aggrieved women will make her the nominee, so millions of moderate Republicans will vote against her in the general.

In short, if you want a Democrat to win, don't buy into the program.
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Torgo"]
Bobo wrote:

My biggest problem with McCain is his tendency to shoot from the hip. He's not equipped for it. He comes off like a drunk uncle who talks without paying attention or responding to what others are saying. (Like many, many of the Topix posters...)


I feel like this is kind of what killed him in 2000, and that was 8 years ago. Now he's a certified senior citizen, and I remember all the criticism of Dole when he ran in 1996 for being a bit long in the tooth... and he was about the same age McCain is now (by the way, he was on Colbert the other night and he came across pretty sharp for a Viagra-popping 84 year old).

But his "shoot from the hip/drunk uncle" persona is kind of what sets him apart from other Republicans who have been so busy kissing Bush's butt the last 8 years.
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AnonyMouse



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torgo wrote:
So a candidate's likelihood to be assassinated - as if that could be quantified in first place - is a meaningful criterium by which to evaluate them?


Absolutely not, not in any way. That wasn't what I was trying to say. I wasn't trying to say that it should influence anyone's vote one way or the other.

I was just commenting on the fact that in the 21st century - the 21st century! - a candidate for president is receiving death threats for the color of his skin! Why doesn't that shock and outrage you?

And I don't see how expressing my disgust with that somehow legitimizes it. Doesn't shining a light on it and calling it what it is delegitimize it? And doesn't keeping quiet about it actually give it power? When nobody speaks up and condemns abhorrent behavior, it continues to grow.

Clearly that isn't what you guys want to discuss in this thread, and I'm fine with that. I just wanted to correct any misunderstanding that I was trying to make the death threats a factor in anyone's decision on who to vote for.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand your point.

It is something I have heard before and unfortunately, my son heard it, too. (which is what really bothered me.)

I guess I feel like talking about it, gives it weight. I don't want to consider it as a legitimate subject, not because I think you are trying to force the issue as a reason to vote or not vote for someone, but because I want to believe that people who make such threats are really impotent, ignorant beings.

I am not naive. I know bigotry exists. But let me believe that it is not as pervasive as it seems, that it really is not sprinkled throughout our country like a posionous cupcake topping...Let me pretend that we are all high-minded folk for just a little longer.

Pretty Please, with non-poisonous sprinkles on top?
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Torgo



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnonyMouse wrote:
Why doesn't that shock and outrage you?


Thanks for assuming it doesn't. Your Topix is showing.

AnonyMouse wrote:
Doesn't shining a light on it and calling it what it is delegitimize it?


We all know it exists. Whether you think it's legitimate or not has more to do with your upbringing and experience than what you might happen to read on the internet.

AnonyMouse wrote:
And doesn't keeping quiet about it actually give it power? When nobody speaks up and condemns abhorrent behavior, it continues to grow.


I don't know. Maybe. But I do think you're preaching to the choir here.

AnonyMouse wrote:
Clearly that isn't what you guys want to discuss in this thread, and I'm fine with that.


And yet, here we are. Race is obviously a factor in the election. I just found it interesting you extrapolated the subject from Bobo's post.

AnonyMouse wrote:
I just wanted to correct any misunderstanding that I was trying to make the death threats a factor in anyone's decision on who to vote for.


Understood.
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walrus1



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: redirected Reply with quote

Hey who stole the other thread?

I shall answer some of the remarks here.

My post wasn't meant as an anti-hillary post only that whatever the DNC decides to do it has to look fair for the good of the party. And whatever the outcome, the sooner the Obama/Hillary mess is resolved the better.

Personally I do support Obama but my second choice would be McCain. Although I don't agree with McCain on some things I find him honest and moderate enough. Not meant as a threat just my personal choice. they say 40% vote Democrat, 40% vote republican, I like to think I am part of the 20% who gets to decide the election.
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.45chel



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: redirected Reply with quote

walrus1 wrote:
Hey who stole the other thread?



Apparently, Admin (aka POstaff) thought our discussion was interesting. It was moved into Best of the Forums. (They are so sneaky!)



Added at 2:18 am
I just got finished rereading the Presidential thread now in BoF and in between cringing at my typos and my posts in general, I realized we really didn't say as much as we could have in 10 pages.

True, it was sporadic posting between Oct through Feb, but Eek!

Anyway.

Congratulations Post Poobah of the Week Dave!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sassy moose



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, that made my day Laughing
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sassy moose wrote:
Okay, that made my day Laughing


Who did you vote for in the "Potomac/Chesapeake/Crabcake" primary Sassy Moose?

Cool
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sassy moose



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, Coppy, you make me giggle.

Anyway, it's a secret. And I'm not tellin'.

I will tell you this:
McCain has ideas I like and Obama has ideas I like and neither one of them seems like a complete idiot. If it comes down to those two, I'd probably vote for Obama, at least at this point. We'll see how it goes.

I don't like Hillary. I realize that her ideas are quite similar to Obama's, but...I don't know. I have no stellar logic or reasoning to go on here. It was kind of the same with Edwards. I didn't like him either, but couldn't really iterate why exactly. She annoys me.

Huckabee seems like he'd be fun and has a few good ideas, but I've said it before: just because someone is fun doesn't mean he would be a good president. I'd totally want him to be my preacher though. Just not from the Oval Office.

About the primary:
There were six people on each ballot, even though most of them were already out. I don't know if people were trying to make a statement or, sadly, people really don't pay attention. But in Virginia, 18,000 people voted for Romney, 3,500 for Thompson and 2,000-something for Giuliani. The Democrats were a little smarter: just more than 5,000 voted for Edwards, 1,600 for Kucinich, and less than 1,000 each for Richardson and Biden. Those aren't large percentages, but that's still a lot of people.

So what do you think? Were people that clueless or were they trying to make a point and vote for who they wanted even if he wasn't in the race anymore?
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