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munchkin
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 Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | I don't know, the grandmother thing doesn't seem to have anything to do with politics so a conscientious voter I'm not nearly as concerned about it as you are.
I think the problem here isn't that we're liberal (which, for the most part, I'd say most of us are pretty moderate) but that you're so ultra-conservative. I can't really understand why this just keeps going on and on and we're being blamed for a double standard that exists in politics on BOTH sides of any sort of issue like this.
Ok, so lets see here... liberals are tolerant of things other liberals do, but if a conservative does it they jump down their throat. Sound familiar? it should, conservatives do the same thing and most of are just kind of numb to all of it. We're not all radio talk show hosts, bickering over double standards and hypocrisy. We just accept it, because we know it happens from every angle and not just the one we may or may not be sympathetic to. |
Coppy, his multipal versions of the grandmother story is about his credibility and honesty
He has told many different stories, yet it does not seem to bother those who support him
Like Bill Clinton, character does not seem to matter to the very people who have accused Pres Bush of every crime on the books
And like Bill Clinton, the left is checking the standards they hold Republicans to at the door and proceed to bow at the alter of Obama |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Who are these "liberals" who say these things? I mean I can spout off all the things Ann Coulter and Pat Robertson have said, but I don't imply that's what all conservatives think. I mean, I've never heard anyone say something like that about Colen Powell. And if I'm going to badmouth Condoleeza Rice, it's going to be for her incompetence as National Security Adviser.
Again, and I think most reasonable people do believe this, it doesn't matter that Obama had a 20 year association with with Wright guy. He's a religious leader at a typical black church where there's a lot of yelling and angry people. Believe me, there's racism, homophobia and intolerance at white churches too.
I guess racism itself is just typical to define, but I'm not one to say that someone can possibly be racist "by association." |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| munchkin wrote: |
Coppy, his multipal versions of the grandmother story is about his credibility and honesty
He has told many different stories, yet it does not seem to bother those who support him
Like Bill Clinton, character does not seem to matter to the very people who have accused Pres Bush of every crime on the books
And like Bill Clinton, the left is checking the standards they hold Republicans to at the door and proceed to bow at the alter of Obama |
I've heard the grandmother story; I may not have heard it analyzed quite as deliberately as you have from talk radio, but I have heard. Obama was forced in a corner to talk about race because of his preacher... which shouldn't matter at all. I'm definitely of the ilk that religion should have NOTHING to do with politics, or politicians in any way shape or form, but no matter how moderate or reasonable I try to be, I'm sure that paints me as a "liberal" to you.
I mean, character, like racism, is hard to define too. What matters and what doesn't? I don't know if Bush's character is really attacked so much as his policies and general incompetence. Clinton was attacked for getting a BJ. Can't we just call it even?
I think you're treading dangerous, presumptive ground muchkin with your accusations. Frankly, I think you're blowing things out of proportion. |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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WHOA.
I have NEVER heard any talk of the kind you refer to Munchkin!!
There of plenty of reasons to dislike Thomas without considering the color of his skin and, honestly, I did not pay attention to the Steele campaign 'cause it did not concern me.
I DO know of one person who made fun of Rice's teeth once and I replied, "Oh c'mon, all the other crap she's responsible for and you make fun of her teeth?!"
Don't get me wrong, I am not above making fun of someone whose policies I think are foolish, but race and gender are not 'fair game'. Why joke on someone for something they cannot control?
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munchkin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | | munchkin wrote: |
Coppy, his multipal versions of the grandmother story is about his credibility and honesty
He has told many different stories, yet it does not seem to bother those who support him
Like Bill Clinton, character does not seem to matter to the very people who have accused Pres Bush of every crime on the books
And like Bill Clinton, the left is checking the standards they hold Republicans to at the door and proceed to bow at the alter of Obama |
I've heard the grandmother story; I may not have heard it analyzed quite as deliberately as you have from talk radio, but I have heard. Obama was forced in a corner to talk about race because of his preacher... which shouldn't matter at all. I'm definitely of the ilk that religion should have NOTHING to do with politics, or politicians in any way shape or form, but no matter how moderate or reasonable I try to be, I'm sure that paints me as a "liberal" to you.
I mean, character, like racism, is hard to define too. What matters and what doesn't? I don't know if Bush's character is really attacked so much as his policies and general incompetence. Clinton was attacked for getting a BJ. Can't we just call it even?
I think you're treading dangerous, presumptive ground muchkin with your accusations. Frankly, I think you're blowing things out of proportion. |
In his book, Obaba wrote how gradma was bothered by an agressive black pnahandler - the he paints her as a racist
That is a fact
So now you can't understand what character is? After 7 years of bush bashing and bush hating now the standards are lowered for the liberal
Once agin, like with Clinton, character does not matter to the left
No accusations Coppy. I have posted the proof, and it has been ignored |
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munchkin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| .45chel wrote: |
WHOA.
I have NEVER heard any talk of the kind you refer to Munchkin!!
There of plenty of reasons to dislike Thomas without considering the color of his skin and, honestly, I did not pay attention to the Steele campaign 'cause it did not concern me.
I DO know of one person who made fun of Rice's teeth once and I replied, "Oh c'mon, all the other crap she's responsible for and you make fun of her teeth?!"
Don't get me wrong, I am not above making fun of someone whose policies I think are foolish, but race and gender are not 'fair game'. Why joke on someone for something they cannot control? |
The point being made is the clear double standards the left has when it comes to race
On the one hand the left is on a constant lookout for any hint of racism real or not
They will pounce and destroy any conservative without mercy or willing to listen
However, when one of their own makes a clear, blatant, hate filled ractist rant - the left lok the other way and makes excuses
Black conservatives have long been the victim of the racist wing in the emocrat party. It has gone on for many years, and I have sat back and seen the gross hypocrisy of the party that thumps their chest how they stand for civil rights
Black conservatives are loked at with scorn and distain. It is a sick fact,a nd the proof is overwhelming |
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Torgo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| munchkin wrote: | | Words mean things except when they are uttered by a liberal. |
That is why you fail.
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munchkin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Torgo wrote: | | munchkin wrote: | | Words mean things except when they are uttered by a liberal. |
That is why you fail. |
You are the guys ripping each ither apart
Last night you had James Carvell and Tom Dashiell calling each other a cheat, a liar, a coward, over having do over primaries
It was priceless
The racism the left believe and sorews is coming back to bite them. Could no happen to better bunch |
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Coppy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Haha, "you guys." Wow, maybe you should come to the world of real people instead of political pundits sometime munchkin.
It's fun out here where not everyone is either a liberal or a conservative.
This is such a sad discussion, don't "you all" think?
There are several points I made in my posts that have been ignored by you munchkin, presumably because they're unsympathetic to your amazingly narrow point of view.
What about McCain? No one's attacking his character? I don't understand, I think you're the one with the double standards now.
We're not all either James Carville's or Sean Hannity's munchkin. Can you believe it!? |
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munchkin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | Haha, "you guys." Wow, maybe you should come to the world of real people instead of political pundits sometime munchkin.
It's fun out here where not everyone is either a liberal or a conservative.
This is such a sad discussion, don't "you all" think?
There are several points I made in my posts that have been ignored by you munchkin, presumably because they're unsympathetic to your amazingly narrow point of view.
What about McCain? No one's attacking his character? I don't understand, I think you're the one with the double standards now.
We're not all either James Carville's or Sean Hannity's munchkin. Can you believe it!? |
Nice attempt to duck and didge Coppy
I have seen the left's reps on TV and I have heard their lame excuses. I also notice how the same libs who bash conservatives as a group take such offense over phrases like "you guys" or "kibs" or "lefties"
As of yet you have not even tried to disprove the facts I have presented - it all back to the same tlaking points the Obama people have put out
What about McCain? I am not a fan of his - but would be better then Obama or Hillary
So why not addreess the pints I have made about Obama's honesty and judgement. There is plenty there if you have the guts to look at it |
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Torgo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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No one speaks for me except me, Dodo.
Too bad you can't make the same claim, since all efforts to get beyond your cut-and-paste intellect fail miserably.
It's all you got, Dodo, and that's a pity.
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munchkin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Torgo wrote: | No one speaks for me except me, Dodo.
Too bad you can't make the same claim, since all efforts to get beyond your cut-and-paste intellect fail miserably.
It's all you got, Dodo, and that's a pity. |
Translation - I will not comment on the facts you have presented. Being a liberal all I know is attack
You are a typical white male like Obama said |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Torgo doesn't strike me as typical anything. 'Course Torgo doesn't strike me at all (which is good for him 'cause I don't fight fair)
I like Dodos, don't disparage them, they're cute!
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Torgo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| munchkin wrote: | Translation - I will not comment on the facts you have presented. Being a liberal all I know is attack
You are a typical white male like Obama said |
No, I simply dispute the characterization of your bilge as "facts."
Rather, they are the desperate wheezings of a dying order, Dodo, based on an engineered controversy over statements never uttered by the actual candidate, who subsequently put them in context in perhaps the greatest political speech of the this century.
But your game is amusing in a blackly comic sort of way, as you and the rest of the small, fearful minds continue to parrot what y'all hear from your broadcast overlords.
I do hope you continue this sort of thing through the rest of the primaries, right up to and beyond the moment Obama wins the nomination, so we can start talking about war-forever McSame, age 137, and his $1.4 trillion S&L looting with Keating et. al...
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munchkin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Torgo wrote: | | munchkin wrote: | Translation - I will not comment on the facts you have presented. Being a liberal all I know is attack
You are a typical white male like Obama said |
No, I simply dispute the characterization of your bilge as "facts."
Rather, they are the desperate wheezings of a dying order, Dodo, based on an engineered controversy over statements never uttered by the actual candidate, who subsequently put them in context in perhaps the greatest political speech of the this century.
But your game is amusing in a blackly comic sort of way, as you and the rest of the small, fearful minds continue to parrot what y'all hear from your broadcast overlords.
I do hope you continue this sort of thing through the rest of the primaries, right up to and beyond the moment Obama wins the nomination, so we can start talking about war-forever McSame, age 137, and his $1.4 trillion S&L looting with Keating et. al... |
Yea, how valid is what Obama wrote in his boo,. what he said, videos of he said, and examples of Democart racism toward conservatove blacks
Such flimsy evidence |
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