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munchkin
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 Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Torgo wrote: | "I know you are but what am I?"
What a crushing retort! Pee-Wee Playhouse is that way... ----->
PS - Still waiting for you to address your disregard for the 33rd District state Senate race, Dodo... |
I see you are upset I set you straight about the huge numbers of conservatives who did cross over, and how Dems did it in MI
Take your meds and take drink some warm milk
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cookieclaygirl
Joined: 03 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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omg, torgo...i don't know...his last retort was so....exhilleratingly defeating i'm ...well..i'm just not sure i can go on! yes...yes... i must convert! Republicanism is the ONLY way to go...can't go on w/my liberal nature...must...convert....i SEE THE LIGHT!!!!
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munchkin
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| cookieclaygirl wrote: | omg, torgo...i don't know...his last retort was so....exhilleratingly defeating i'm ...well..i'm just not sure i can go on! yes...yes... i must convert! Republicanism is the ONLY way to go...can't go on w/my liberal nature...must...convert....i SEE THE LIGHT!!!!
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Well here is another example of liberal double standards brought to you by the Obama's
Obama Just Another Liberal Charity Cheapskate
You're no doubt familiar with how liberals never miss an opportunity to talk about "compassion" and rail about the wealthy "not paying their fair share" and capitalizing on class envy.
With all that caterwauling, liberals are sure to be generous people, right? Wrong. In fact, wrong, wrong. Conservatives--especially religious conservatives--give considerably more to charity, even when they make less money.
With all the railing done by Barack Obama's pastor about injustice and oppression, certainly Obama is an exception to this tendency of liberals to be tightwads.
Uh, wrong again.
From Jake Tapper at the ABC News blog, the Obamas are pretty skimpy in their charitable giving:
"The Obamas' donations to all recipients totaled $2,350 in 2000, $1,470 in 2001, $1,050 in 2002, $3,400 in 2003, and $2,500 in 2004. They also paid federal taxes totaling $311,044 during the same period on their $1.2 million of income."
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/03/obama-just-another-liberal-charity.html |
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munchkin
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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and take a guess which charity got the biggest donation?
If you guessed the racist Chirch of Rev Wright - YOU WIN!!!!!
Obama gave over $22,500 to his racist mentor |
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Torgo
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
Posts: 522
Location: Manos: The Hands of Fate
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| munchkin wrote: | | I see you are upset I set you straight about the huge numbers of conservatives who did croos over, and how Dems did it in MI |
Nice attempt at a dodge. However, I was refuting to your use of the words "huge wins" regarding Hillary's performance in Texas and Ohio. Your followup screed mentioned numbers only the context of crossover percentages, tool.
So let's talk delegates, since they're the yardstick that matters (courtesy, New York Times):
Texas
Candidate Vote % Delegates
Hillary Rodham Clinton 1,459,814 50.9% 65
Barack Obama 1,358,785 47.4 61
Ohio
Candidate Vote % Delegates
Hillary Rodham Clinton 1,207,806 54.3% 75
Barack Obama 979,025 44.0 66
My goodness. yes, those were plainly crushing victories on the part of Hillary. Huge wins, indeed.
The same will happen in Pennsylvania. But keep telling yourself that you are making a difference with your silliness.
Now that I think about it, it's probably better for all concerned that you all decided to sit out of the 33rd District Pa. Senate GOP primary, as traitorous fools cannot be trusted to vote in such an important race.
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Coppy
Joined: 28 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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I love when articles start with:
| Quote: | | You're no doubt familiar with how liberals never miss an opportunity to talk about "compassion"... |
It just makes me know that what I'm about to read is just so... unbiased and factual.  |
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munchkin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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The delegates can go woth who ever they want. Hillary and Co are going after them
Neither Obama or Hillary will be able to "win" enough" to lock up the nomination. This is going all the way to Denver and a floor fight is going to happen
If it was not for Republicans crossing over, Hilary would be out of the race right now, and the soap opera would have ended |
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Torgo
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Location: Manos: The Hands of Fate
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| munchkin wrote: | | If it was not for Republicans crossing over, Hilary would be out of the race right now, and the soap opera would have ended |
Wrong again.
Damn, Dodo, you're wrong more often than Bill Kristol.
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Damn, Dodo, you're wrong more often than Bill Kristol. |
And that's quite an accomplishment. There really isn't any sane evidence to back this up; just the speculation of the far-right media.
I think you're overestimating the power of Rush, and his ability to command his minions to vote in the democratic primary to sabotage Obama's campaign. I don't believe it, and neither do most people.
This is what happens when only people on the fringe of their respective ideology argue with each other. Us normal folks are stuck in the middle. |
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munchkin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Torgo wrote: | | munchkin wrote: | | If it was not for Republicans crossing over, Hilary would be out of the race right now, and the soap opera would have ended |
Wrong again.
Damn, Dodo, you're wrong more often than Bill Kristol. |
Denying facts will not make them go away. Operation Chaos kept Hillary in the race, and give her a big win in PA. Republicans helped Hilary win in both TX and OH
Obama will see his popular vote lead be cut, and the war will continue |
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munchkin
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Coppy wrote: | | Torgo wrote: |
Damn, Dodo, you're wrong more often than Bill Kristol. |
And that's quite an accomplishment. There really isn't any sane evidence to back this up; just the speculation of the far-right media.
I think you're overestimating the power of Rush, and his ability to command his minions to vote in the democratic primary to sabotage Obama's campaign. I don't believe it, and neither do most people.
This is what happens when only people on the fringe of their respective ideology argue with each other. Us normal folks are stuck in the middle. |
As I posted on the previous page
Texas was a draw? LOL!!!
Here are the numbers - read them and weep
Republicans Helped Hillary Win Texas
Wednesday, March 5, 2008 3:55 PM
Republican crossover voters apparently helped win the Democratic primary in Texas for Hillary Clinton — with one in every 10 Democratic votes came from Republicans.
And they could have been heeding the call of top-rated radio host Rush Limbaugh, who had been urging Republican listeners to vote for Hillary to prevent the Democrats from unifying around Obama and to keep the two candidates battling each other.
“Hillary Clinton is back in the race, thanks in some small part to Republican voters mindlessly following the commands of radio entertainers and crossing party lines to vote for the candidate they view as weakest,” Bud Kennedy writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram Wednesday.
According to exit polls, of the 10 percent of Democratic votes that came from Republicans, about 53 percent of the crossovers chose Obama and 46 percent went with Clinton, the Dallas Morning News reports.
But previously these crossovers had voted overwhelmingly in favor of Obama. And the exit polls also show that Hillary won handily among conservative voters, including many Democrats, 53 percent to 43 percent over Obama, reports the Web site Outside the Beltway — which also noted that “Clinton truly might have won the Texas primary on the backs of Rush Limbaugh listeners.”
Clinton’s overall margin of victory was just 3 percent — about 98,000 votes out of 2.8 million cast.
“Thousands of traditionally Republican voters helped swell the ranks of the Democrats,” the Morning News observed.
“Some crossed over out of support for Mr. Obama, others were simply dissatisfied with their own party’s choice. Still others supported Mrs. Clinton hoping that by helping extend the Democratic feud, they would leave their own party in a better spot this fall.”
Limbaugh claimed at least some of the credit for Hillary’s victory, saying on Wednesday: “What we did, if we did anything, is to create a bunch of chaos in the Democratic Party — and it worked.”
and here are the numbers from Ohio
It started a few weeks ago when conservative radio powerhouse Rush Limbaugh suggested that his Republican following cross over during the primary to vote for Clinton. Clinton, Limbaugh argued, would be easier for McCain to beat in November......
A staggering 16,000-plus Republicans in Cuyahoga County switched parties when they voted in last week's primary.
At least one member of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections wants to investigate some Republicans who may have crossed party lines only to influence which Democrat would face John McCain.
Anyone who crossed lines was supposed to sign a pledge card vowing allegiance to their new party. In Cuyahoga County, dozens and dozens of Republicans scribbled addendums onto their pledges as new Democrats.
"For one day only."
"I don't believe in abortion."
A Plain Dealer review of thousands of records showed few of those who switched were challenged by poll workers.
Ohio voters are allowed to switch party affiliations on the day of a primary election but only if they sign a pledge vowing to support their new party - and mean it.
and the libs shed those oceans of tears over it |
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Torgo
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Location: Manos: The Hands of Fate
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, reprint the post and premise I just refuted.
Dodo: Our daily date with density.
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Coppy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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I noticed you stopped naming your source when it's from an overwhelmingly right-wing biased publication like "Newsmax.org."
Meanwhile, most sane estimations show that Obama has huge support among moderate republicans and independents. It seems that's a much larger reason for his success.... people actually like him. Even some republicans.
I understand why you and your cronies are scared; McCain will have a tough fight against Obama... probably much tougher than against Hillary, especially with all the smear campaign you guys have been cooking up for years in anticipation. |
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Torgo
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| munchkin wrote: | | give her a big win in PA |
Just like Texas and Ohio, eh Dodo?
LOL at you.
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munchkin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Torgo wrote: | Sure, reprint the post and premise I just refuted.
Dodo: Our daily date with density. |
Dispute? Where? In your mind only my friend |
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