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.45chel
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| Quote: | | If half of Americans had the conviction and willingness to stand up for the way of life that they hold dear like the Native Americans did, our country would be a different place. |
Interesting statement. I realize this thread is labeled immigration, but I'm curious about the above statement.
The way I see it, many Americans have different ways of life, which is what I hold dear. I'm pretty sure puritanical homogenization fell out of favor.
By the way citizen, have you seen the t-shirt depicting a guy in a suit with big furry bear arms?
www dot bustedtees dot com /shirt/secondamendment/male
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Coppy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| .45chel wrote: | | Quote: | | If half of Americans had the conviction and willingness to stand up for the way of life that they hold dear like the Native Americans did, our country would be a different place. |
Interesting statement. I realize this thread is labeled immigration, but I'm curious about the above statement.
The way I see it, many Americans have different ways of life, which is what I hold dear. I'm pretty sure puritanical homogenization fell out of favor.
By the way citizen, have you seen the t-shirt depicting a guy in a suit with big furry bear arms?
www dot bustedtees dot com /shirt/secondamendment/male |
That shirt is awesome. |
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armed_citizen
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armed citizen, if you don't mind my asking, what nationality are you descended from. I'd be willing to bet that there was a group of people (probably not native americans) who treated your ancestors unfairly. Do you think they were correct in doing so? The humorous thing is that today their descendants are probably your ally in doing the same to this new wave. |
I am of German descent. I don't have any documentation as to why my ancestors came here, or even that they did so legally, though that is my belief. I'm all for immigration, and think it should be much easier to do legally; but, the mess that things have become is no excuse to issue immunity to those already here illegally (of any ethnic origin) and give up trying to regulate this activity. Can I pick a law that I don't agree with and then violate it in the name of a "better life" for myself and my family?
| .45chel wrote: | | Quote: | | If half of Americans had the conviction and willingness to stand up for the way of life that they hold dear like the Native Americans did, our country would be a different place. |
Interesting statement. I realize this thread is labeled immigration, but I'm curious about the above statement.
The way I see it, many Americans have different ways of life, which is what I hold dear. I'm pretty sure puritanical homogenization fell out of favor. |
Heterogenization is my vision of the American way of life. To me, the melting pot concept is not that we all become identical, but that we all have certain things in common, yet retain our own uniqueness. We do this within the limits of our society, which as we have seen, evolve over time. For me, it hasn't evolved to the point that any and all can stream across our borders on their own terms.
The poem on the plaque inside the Statue of Liberty is often selectively quoted:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,"
But rarely is heard the final line:
"I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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pathfinder_17233
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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the problems is, the left likes to use the (R) word, alot. no one wants to called that!  |
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.45chel
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| .45chel wrote: | | Quote: | | If half of Americans had the conviction and willingness to stand up for the way of life that they hold dear like the Native Americans did, our country would be a different place. |
Interesting statement. I realize this thread is labeled immigration, but I'm curious about the above statement.
The way I see it, many Americans have different ways of life, which is what I hold dear. I'm pretty sure puritanical homogenization fell out of favor. |
Heterogenization is my vision of the American way of life. To me, the melting pot concept is not that we all become identical, but that we all have certain things in common, yet retain our own uniqueness. We do this within the limits of our society, which as we have seen, evolve over time. For me, it hasn't evolved to the point that any and all can stream across our borders on their own terms. |
Thank you kindly for your clarification!
I agree that amnesty is quite distasteful as options go, but there is no way to chase "them" all out...unless the dollar keeps dropping and more of our businesses choose to go south of the border. The last amnesty adventure, during the Reagan era was a disaster. I wish there were more feasible options. The Worker's Visa program is far too similar to indentured servitude or (dare I say it) slavery and I don't want America to represent itself in such a way. I find it so shameful and quite unlike the ideals we hold up high.
Anchor babies, as they are colorfully called, probably should have their families expelled but is it really what we want to represented as? Ripping the child from its mother's arms? Why can we not just send them all back until they can enter legally?
Add to this that most Citizens can't pass the citizenship test. Or that immigrants are more eager to vote than Americans, more proud to pay taxes, value their newly found freedoms more...it's just shameful.
BTW noone asked me but I'm Scot-Irish, but I much prefer to recognized as an American or just a mutt.
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.45chel
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| pathfinder_17233 wrote: | | the problems is, the left likes to use the (R) word, alot. no one wants to called that! |
?? I must be daft but all I can think of is republican and know plenty of people who...oh wait I got it 
Is this really a left/right issue? I hate when we break it into categories like that, mainly because I never fit into one.
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"BTW noone asked me but I'm Scot-Irish, but I much prefer to recognized as an American or just a mutt."
I am with .45, my roots are German-Irish, but everyone I've ever known from Great-Grand parents to my newest grand-niece were ALL born in PA, so we're all Pennsylvanian-Americans !!! |
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Coppy
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Many times when I am troubled or confused, I find comfort in sitting in my back yard having a conversation with Jesus. This happened to me again after a particularly difficult day at work earlier this week.
I said "Jesus, why do I work so hard?"
To my surprise I heard this reply: "Men find many ways to demonstrate the love they have for their family. You work hard to have a peaceful, beautiful place for your friends and family to gather."
I said: "I thought that money was the root of all evil."
And the reply was: "No, the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Money is a tool; it can be used for good or bad".
I was starting to feel better, but I still had that one burning question, so I asked it.
"Jesus," I said, "what is the meaning of life? Why am I here?"
He replied: "That is a question many men ask. The answer is in your heart and is different for everyone. I would love to chat with you some more, Senor, but for now, I must finish your lawn." |
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.45chel
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.45chel
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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From the "who to blame thread"
| me wrote: | "I've got news for them: The Republican party(as in what's in power right now) has a plan for America and it doesn't include YOU."
And the same thing can be said about the Democrats, but even more so as they appear to be leaing the biggest push against immigration reform!! |
Hey me!
I said I'd meet cha over here!
Something NEEDS to be done about immigration. The problem is, what?
I know someone said earlier "why can't we just round 'em all up and boot them out" but that is what we've been TRYING to do and it hasn't really gotten us far.
I liked the ideas of fines for the employers per infraction, but Bush struck that down and said he would only approve at most it would only be a nominal one time fine. If you make it too expensive for the employers then maybe they'll choose legal workers.
But what do you think me?
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anonymous_coward
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| me wrote: | "BTW noone asked me but I'm Scot-Irish, but I much prefer to recognized as an American or just a mutt."
I am with .45, my roots are German-Irish, but everyone I've ever known from Great-Grand parents to my newest grand-niece were ALL born in PA, so we're all Pennsylvanian-Americans !!! |
i meant to get back to this sooner, my point was going to be that your german and irish ancestors were looked down upon by the americans already here as "taking" over the country, and being undesirable, stupid, lazy, etc. were those people right about your ancestors? if not what makes you right about the immigrants coming in today. and if you answer you're only against it because it's illegal, i have another question for you. why not allow all immigration to be legal? what reasons can you come up for why that's a bad idea that aren't racist or xenophobic? |
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armed_citizen
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How about national security? I'd be curious to see a list of countries that have open, unrestricted immigration policies.
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.45chel
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| armed_citizen wrote: | | How about national security? I'd be curious to see a list of countries that have open, unrestricted immigration policies. |
I don't have a list, but I'm pretty sure that it is none. Mexico shoots people crossing their border illegally and a stink was made when Israel started deporting refugees in droves and refused any thought of amnesty. Countries look out for their citizens first, as well they should.
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armed_citizen
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I suspect to that if there are such places, the list is very short, and/or limited to countries where people are fleeing and no one actually wants in, but I don't have any facts to back up my assumption.
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Dave
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I think we should make a deal with the illegals. They can have Texas. That way when Bush 's term is over, he can live with all his buddies.
While we are at it, we should give New Jersey as the new home for Israel & solve most of the Middle Easts' problems. |
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