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Subway worker in Harlem fights off four would-be muggers

 
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Coppy



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Subway worker in Harlem fights off four would-be muggers Reply with quote

This is a great story.

I was drawn to it for two reasons; first, I had a seen a MyFox New York video online reporting on the following story. It was a moving piece, detailing how a lowly, Harlem, NYC subway worker fought off four would-be attackers, unarming one, seriously injuring another, and leaving yet another dead.

Then, I read a real article on the story (above) on the incident and it painted a much different picture of what happened; not just that the man attacked is a hero deserving of respect and admiration, but also that the details of this story are still unclear and that what really transpired is part of an ongoing investigation.

And such is the difference, to me, between Fox and the New York Times. Am I really so wrong Mr. O'Reilly for not boycotting every newspaper that doesn't say what you want them to say?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems some desperately wish everything was black and white, cut and dried.

And when questions are raised?---must just be some crazy liberals who are against personal freedom Confused

Everyone has the right to defend themselves, but you've got to be smart about it. It's one thing to carry a knife, a firearm or take some self-defense course, but when push comes to shove you should be capable of recognizing the attacker from the innocent.

Not as easy as it sounds, even for those with a great deal of training.

It's a shame knives are cheaper than tasers or a samaritan (bystander?) may still be alive
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one that I don't entirely understand; but I barely understand what truly makes someone "liberal" or "conservative" anyway. The accusation that liberals are against personal freedom, but the ACLU is an evil, liberal organization?

I think it has something to do with a cake, and having it and also consuming it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote




Doesn't apply, just one of my many, many pet peeves.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coppy wrote:
Here's one that I don't entirely understand; but I barely understand what truly makes someone "liberal" or "conservative" anyway. The accusation that liberals are against personal freedom, but the ACLU is an evil, liberal organization?

I think it has something to do with a cake, and having it and also consuming it.


I think the concept of the ACLU is good in theory. The problem is they pick and choose which civil liberties they will defend. They take a vocal "neutral" stance on the Second Amendment.

Further, setting aside the 'militia' angle and the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution completely, PA gun owners are fortunate to have much stronger wording in the PA Constitution:

Quote:

Right to Bear Arms
Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.


Try getting the ACLU to back you up on that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should be interesting to see what the courts do with this issue when it gets reviewed soon. I think the Supreme Court is going to look at DC's law on gun control.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I predict that they will come up with a ruling that will be sufficiently gray, allowing both sides of the issue to claim a 'win' and doing little to effectively change the situation in D.C.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I can't agree with that, I think the ACLU should defend all constitutional rights, regardless. Then again, it is basically a lobby group with a lot of support from democrats so i suppose I can see that.

I always thought the big problem conservatives had with the ACLU had to do with NAMBLA.
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